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    03:59, August 24, 2017

    In Blood Wars, when we first see Marius going on one of the trains, we see something frozen in a block of ice. I bet Michael was in it

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    • Hmm, I don't remember that scene. And I can't get the DVD for a little over two months yet.

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    • In Underworld evolution michael recovered due to his regenerative abilities even after being fatally wounded, he survived a bomb blast i am 99% sure he can survive a little blood loss . Unless marius disposed his body which is highly unlikely since he left selene without disassembling her body I think eve found her dad as she has Sensory Synchronization shown in the end of awakening and later visits her mother at the end of blood wars.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:
      Hmm, I don't remember that scene. And I can't get the DVD for a little over two months yet.

      I have to admit, I don't remember a block of ice either :/


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    • 202.91.77.118 wrote:
      In Underworld evolution michael recovered due to his regenerative abilities even after being fatally wounded, he survived a bomb blast i am 99% sure he can survive a little blood loss .

      Unless marius disposed his body which is highly unlikely since he left selene without disassembling her body I think eve found her dad as she has Sensory Synchronization shown in the end of awakening and later visits her mother at the end of blood wars.

      While exsanguination may not have killed Michael immediately it ultimately would've been fatal (see my reply on the other thread for more detailed reasoning).

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    • michael is not dead he need to come back think what lycans will do to attack the vampires use more of his blood he was more valuble alive then dead

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:

      202.91.77.118 wrote:
      In Underworld evolution michael recovered due to his regenerative abilities even after being fatally wounded, he survived a bomb blast i am 99% sure he can survive a little blood loss .

      Unless marius disposed his body which is highly unlikely since he left selene without disassembling her body I think eve found her dad as she has Sensory Synchronization shown in the end of awakening and later visits her mother at the end of blood wars.

      While exsanguination may not have killed Michael immediately it ultimately would've been fatal (see my reply on the other thread for more detailed reasoning).

      I don't agree with your reasoning as Michael survived being impaled by Marcus which should have caused a fatal loss of blood but it didn't.

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    • please directors there still time please bring michael back we need him back

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    • Michael should go back

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    • I really can't stand Blood Wars.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I really can't stand Blood Wars.

      why

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    • 176.33.110.38 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      I really can't stand Blood Wars.

      why

      Because they 'kill' off Michael, my favorite character. Otherwise I wouldn't mind Blood Wars.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      176.33.110.38 wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      I really can't stand Blood Wars.
      why
      Because they 'kill' off Michael, my favorite character. Otherwise I wouldn't mind Blood Wars.

      But, by your reasoning, Michael isn't actually dead. So, can you really hate Blood Wars for 'killing' him if he isn't actually dead? ;)

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      176.33.110.38 wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      I really can't stand Blood Wars.
      why
      Because they 'kill' off Michael, my favorite character. Otherwise I wouldn't mind Blood Wars.

      But, by your reasoning, Michael isn't actually dead. So, can you really hate Blood Wars for 'killing' him if he isn't actually dead? ;)

      Hmmm your good. That's a pretty good point. Well played. I'm sure I could think of a rebuttal but any rebuttal I could think of might clash with my reasoning about Michael being alive.

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    • ^ That's hilarious. :D

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    • Yellowantphil wrote: ^ That's hilarious. :D

      What is?

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Yellowantphil wrote: ^ That's hilarious. :D

      What is?

      Rockchick's joke, and your response.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Yellowantphil wrote: ^ That's hilarious. :D

      What is?

      Rockchick's joke, and your response.

      Yeah but she does have a point. But yeah it was a great joke.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: Yeah but she does have a point. But yeah it was a great joke.

      If nothing else, they completely sidelined your favorite character, giving him maybe 10 blurry seconds of screen time in a flashback.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Yeah but she does have a point. But yeah it was a great joke.

      If nothing else, they completely sidelined your favorite character, giving him maybe 10 blurry seconds of screen time in a flashback.

      Yeah.......... So yeah I do have reason to hate Blood Wars.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Yeah but she does have a point. But yeah it was a great joke.

      If nothing else, they completely sidelined your favorite character, giving him maybe 10 blurry seconds of screen time in a flashback.

      Despite the lack of screentime, in many ways he was very important to the plot, serving as one of Selene's primary motivators :)

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:

      Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Yeah but she does have a point. But yeah it was a great joke.

      If nothing else, they completely sidelined your favorite character, giving him maybe 10 blurry seconds of screen time in a flashback.

      Despite the lack of screentime, in many ways he was very important to the plot, serving as one of Selene's primary motivators :)

      I fail to see how that makes up for what they did to him.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Rockchick 19 wrote:

      Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Yeah but she does have a point. But yeah it was a great joke.

      If nothing else, they completely sidelined your favorite character, giving him maybe 10 blurry seconds of screen time in a flashback.
      Despite the lack of screentime, in many ways he was very important to the plot, serving as one of Selene's primary motivators :)
      I fail to see how that makes up for what they did to him.

      Just meant that he wasn't quite as sidelined as Yellowantphil was suggesting :)

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Rockchick 19 wrote:

      Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Yeah but she does have a point. But yeah it was a great joke.

      If nothing else, they completely sidelined your favorite character, giving him maybe 10 blurry seconds of screen time in a flashback.
      Despite the lack of screentime, in many ways he was very important to the plot, serving as one of Selene's primary motivators :)
      I fail to see how that makes up for what they did to him.

      Just meant that he wasn't quite as sidelined as Yellowantphil was suggesting :)

      I disagree with that. But that's just me.

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    • I wonder, how different do you think the story could have been if Eve had awaken Michael instead of Selene in Awakening. Would David still help them? Would Sebastian? How Michael would deal with the entire situation?

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, how different do you think the story could have been if Eve had awaken Michael instead of Selene in Awakening. Would David still help them? Would Sebastian? How Michael would deal with the entire situation?

      Probably in a similar manner to Selene, but I doubt Sebastian or David would help them.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, how different do you think the story could have been if Eve had awaken Michael instead of Selene in Awakening. Would David still help them? Would Sebastian? How Michael would deal with the entire situation?

      Probably in a similar manner to Selene, but I doubt Sebastian or David would help them.

      Yeah, I guess Sebastian would consider helping him after learning about what Antigen and the Lycans were doing, and it just occur to me, Michael used to be a intern nurse like Sebastian's wife, right? Hell, they even could have knew eachother! As for David, I think he may start following Michael at first and then also help after learning that he is trying to find/save Selene.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, how different do you think the story could have been if Eve had awaken Michael instead of Selene in Awakening. Would David still help them? Would Sebastian? How Michael would deal with the entire situation?

      Probably in a similar manner to Selene, but I doubt Sebastian or David would help them.

      Yeah, I guess Sebastian would consider helping him after learning about what Antigen and the Lycans were doing, and it just occur to me, Michael used to be a intern nurse like Sebastian's wife, right? Hell, they even could have knew eachother! As for David, I think he may start following Michael at first and then also help after learning that he is trying to find/save Selene.

      Hmm yeah good point.

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    • There is talk of a sixth Underworld. I bet it focuses on how Selene, Michael and Eve reunite. With Selene the leader of the vampires and Michael leader of the lycans and how they will finally bring the thousand year long war to a end.

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    • 192.30.239.131 wrote: There is talk of a sixth Underworld. I bet it focuses on how Selene, Michael and Eve reunite. With Selene the leader of the vampires and Michael leader of the lycans and how they will finally bring the thousand year long war to a end.

      I would like that very much.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I wonder, how different do you think the story could have been if Eve had awaken Michael instead of Selene in Awakening. Would David still help them? Would Sebastian? How Michael would deal with the entire situation?

      I think that the situation probably would've been much worse had Michael been awakened, purely due to a lack of allies; Sebastian probably would've helped but I doubt that David would've and there's no way that any of the Lycans would've helped. I do think that Michael probably would've handled the truth about Eve better than Selene did and they likely would've bonded much faster and been much more comfortable around each other. However, even with Michael's Hybrid abilities I doubt that him and Sebastian alone would've been enough to save Eve (I'm not honestly sure whether either of them would've even survived long enough to reach that part of the plot).

      Also, had Michael been awakened by Eve, Selene probably would've been killed when Marius and a few other Lycans raided the Antigen Headquarters (given how disorientated both her and Michael are seen to be after being awakened I can't see her being able to fight off 3 or more Lycans within moments of awakening); we've already seen that although he wanted MIchael's blood, Selene's blood was of little interest to him. With Selene dead, Michael probably dead or held captive, Anitgen's research likely being continued I don't think that the war between Vampires and Lycans would've lasted much long; with only two covens left and up against countless Corvinus Strain-Lycan Hybrids, the Vampires wouldn't have stood a chance.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I wonder, how different do you think the story could have been if Eve had awaken Michael instead of Selene in Awakening. Would David still help them? Would Sebastian? How Michael would deal with the entire situation?
      I think that the situation probably would've been much worse had Michael been awakened, purely due to a lack of allies; Sebastian probably would've helped but I doubt that David would've and there's no way that any of the Lycans would've helped. I do think that Michael probably would've handled the truth about Eve better than Selene did and they likely would've bonded much faster and been much more comfortable around each other. However, even with Michael's Hybrid abilities I doubt that him and Sebastian alone would've been enough to save Eve (I'm not honestly sure whether either of them would've even survived long enough to reach that part of the plot).

      Also, had Michael been awakened by Eve, Selene probably would've been killed when Marius and a few other Lycans raided the Antigen Headquarters (given how disorientated both her and Michael are seen to be after being awakened I can't see her being able to fight off 3 or more Lycans within moments of awakening); we've already seen that although he wanted MIchael's blood, Selene's blood was of little interest to him. With Selene dead, Michael probably dead or held captive, Anitgen's research likely being continued I don't think that the war between Vampires and Lycans would've lasted much long; with only two covens left and up against countless Corvinus Strain-Lycan Hybrids, the Vampires wouldn't have stood a chance.


      Ouch. Well, Eve was recaptured because of Thomas and also because Selene lingered too long in his coven, given Quint time to call for reinforcements and nowhere for them to escape. Michael would have grab Eve and kept low profile and would probably noticed that the Lycans have been following them, since Eve and maybe Michael himself, are able to perceive their presence.


      As for rescuing Selene, Michael may have used a different approach to get in the Antigen headquarters, while the Lycans were busy looking for Eve, Michael, being also a Lycan, could have disguised himself as one of the guards or doctors and infiltrated the building instead of just break in their front door. He may also had left Eve with Sebastian in the Police department, and even if the Lycans could take the police head-on, they wouldn't risk blowing their cover and/or having the cops calling for the IPU unity reinforcements.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I wonder, how different do you think the story could have been if Eve had awaken Michael instead of Selene in Awakening. Would David still help them? Would Sebastian? How Michael would deal with the entire situation?

      I think that the situation probably would've been much worse had Michael been awakened, purely due to a lack of allies; Sebastian probably would've helped but I doubt that David would've and there's no way that any of the Lycans would've helped. I do think that Michael probably would've handled the truth about Eve better than Selene did and they likely would've bonded much faster and been much more comfortable around each other. However, even with Michael's Hybrid abilities I doubt that him and Sebastian alone would've been enough to save Eve (I'm not honestly sure whether either of them would've even survived long enough to reach that part of the plot).

      Also, had Michael been awakened by Eve, Selene probably would've been killed when Marius and a few other Lycans raided the Antigen Headquarters (given how disorientated both her and Michael are seen to be after being awakened I can't see her being able to fight off 3 or more Lycans within moments of awakening); we've already seen that although he wanted MIchael's blood, Selene's blood was of little interest to him. With Selene dead, Michael probably dead or held captive, Anitgen's research likely being continued I don't think that the war between Vampires and Lycans would've lasted much long; with only two covens left and up against countless Corvinus Strain-Lycan Hybrids, the Vampires wouldn't have stood a chance.

      I personally think that Michael could've beaten Quint. Seriously all Michael would have to do is tear Quint's head apart, much like his did with William.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I personally think that Michael could've beaten Quint. Seriously all Michael would have to do is tear Quint's head apart, much like his did with William.

      I'm not sure he could just do that. Quint is bigger, smarter maybe even stronger than William was at the time he was freed. Michael would have to use a similar strategy that of Selene used: lure him to a tight space and when he revert to human form, finish him off!

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      I personally think that Michael could've beaten Quint. Seriously all Michael would have to do is tear Quint's head apart, much like his did with William.

      I'm not sure he could just do that. Quint is bigger, smarter maybe even stronger than William was at the time he was freed. Michael would have to use a similar strategy that of Selene used: lure him to a tight space and when he revert to human form, finish him off!

      Probably but I still think your not giving Michael enough credit.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      I personally think that Michael could've beaten Quint. Seriously all Michael would have to do is tear Quint's head apart, much like his did with William.
      I'm not sure he could just do that. Quint is bigger, smarter maybe even stronger than William was at the time he was freed. Michael would have to use a similar strategy that of Selene used: lure him to a tight space and when he revert to human form, finish him off!
      Probably but I still think your not giving Michael enough credit.


      Maybe I am being a little skeptical, don't get me wrong, Michael will always have my full respect and I acknowledge that he is one of the most powerful beings in the Underworld verse, it's just that I also believe he can have certain limitations, that's all :)

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    • I doubt defeating Quint would be easy for Michael but if Michael tore Williams head open, surely he can do the same to Quint.

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    • I think it would have been a different story if Michael had been awakened. Him and Eve would have an easier time bonding, for one. Since Michael is a hybrid he also would have avoided anything to do with lycans and vampires. So there is no chance for a Thomas to get in the way and make him lose Eve. IMO he would have gotten help from Sebastian to hide Eve away and fast and then try to devise a plan to get Selene out. Sebastian would have also been more willing to help him due to the fact that Michael was both an intern (his wife a nurse) and like Sebastian's wife he was turned against his will.

      There is not really a need for David much like there wasn't in Awakening. David was only needed for the coven cover and the final fight. But even there he wasn't needed if they hadn't written Eve like a weakling. And I would imgagine in the Michael scenario the final fight would have been with Selene at his side anyway.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I doubt defeating Quint would be easy for Michael but if Michael tore Williams head open, surely he can do the same to Quint.


      You mean like a finisher move, after a hard fight? Quint is on the floor, beaten? Yeah, I could see that happening. 'cause I thought you meant fight begins, they both charge into each other Michael jumps in Quint's head and tear it off, end of fight.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote: I think it would have been a different story if Michael had been awakened. Him and Eve would have an easier time bonding, for one. Since Michael is a hybrid he also would have avoided anything to do with lycans and vampires. So there is no chance for a Thomas to get in the way and make him lose Eve. IMO he would have gotten help from Sebastian to hide Eve away and fast and then try to devise a plan to get Selene out. Sebastian would have also been more willing to help him due to the fact that Michael was both an intern (his wife a nurse) and like Sebastian's wife he was turned against his will.

      There is not really a need for David much like there wasn't in Awakening. David was only needed for the coven cover and the final fight. But even there he wasn't needed if they hadn't written Eve like a weakling. And I would imgagine in the Michael scenario the final fight would have been with Selene at his side anyway.

      I agree about Eve's situation. I also think that Michael and Sebastian would have a initial conflict, since Michael is still wanted by the police, Sebastian would probably try to arrest him, Michael overpower him but spares his life, next he explain the situation and only then they would start to working together.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      I doubt defeating Quint would be easy for Michael but if Michael tore Williams head open, surely he can do the same to Quint.


      You mean like a finisher move, after a hard fight? Quint is on the floor, beaten? Yeah, I could see that happening. 'cause I thought you meant fight begins, they both charge into each other Michael jumps in Quint's head and tear it off, end of fight.

      Yeah a finisher move is sort of what I had in mind.

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    • If there is a sixth Underworld movie. Do you think Michael will be in it? And what role will he play?

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    • 192.30.239.131 wrote: If there is a sixth Underworld movie. Do you think Michael will be in it? And what role will he play?

      I don't know.

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    • 192.30.239.131 wrote:
      If there is a sixth Underworld movie. Do you think Michael will be in it? And what role will he play?

      I hope so. Maybe Selene and/or Eve go to retrieve his body and find that he is alive and he's gone or the Lycans got him again or maybe the humans, for some reason and Selene, now an Elder, will order her Vampire army to track him down, resulting in more battles between the species, maybe Michael lost his memory somehow and is living somewhere else. Who knows, there are many ways to bring him back that could make a interesting plot for the next movie.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      192.30.239.131 wrote:
      If there is a sixth Underworld movie. Do you think Michael will be in it? And what role will he play?

      I hope so. Maybe Selene and/or Eve go to retrieve his body and find that he is alive and he's gone or the Lycans got him again or maybe the humans, for some reason and Selene, now an Elder, will order her Vampire army to track him down, resulting in more battles between the species, maybe Michael lost his memory somehow and is living somewhere else. Who knows, there are many ways to bring him back that could make a interesting plot for the next movie.

      That there are.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I agree about Eve's situation. I also think that Michael and Sebastian would have a initial conflict, since Michael is still wanted by the police, Sebastian would probably try to arrest him, Michael overpower him but spares his life, next he explain the situation and only then they would start to working together.

      I don't think Michael was wanted by the police so no problem there. I think whoever wrote Evolution forgot that the cops who were after Michael in the first movie weren't actually cops. Michael did nothing in the first movie he could possibly be wanted for unless saving someone's life during a shootout is against the law. I just don't know how he would approach Sebastian since he isn't the 'point a gun in someone's face' type like Selene.

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    • He was wanted for questioning that's why.

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    • Oh yeah, the cops of the first movie were Lycans in disguise right? Still, after that mess he cause on that bar in the second movie, they probably know that he is not human, and without Alexander there would be no one else to keep those cops in silence. Maybe that's how those IPU unitys track him down in the beginnig of the fourth movie.


      Sebastian would have take noticed that he didn't kill any innocent, though.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: He was wanted for questioning that's why.

      It was more than that: he was a suspect in the shooting. Near the beginning of Evolution, the TV in the tavern showed a picture of Michael with the captain, "wanted criminal" or "wanted fugitive" (I can't remember which). The TV showed a picture of Michael and gave his name.

      I bet that Adam Lockwood turned him in. Think about the events from Adam's perspective (going from memory here, so correct me if I get something wrong):

      1. Adam gets interviewed by two people who claim to be the police, saying that they suspect that Michael was involved in a shooting.
      2. Adam initially tries to protect Michael, giving him a tip that the police are coming.
      3. Later, Adam probably learned from the news that there was a shooting in the subway station near Michael's apartment.
      4. Michael then shows up at the hospital with a mysterious injury and provides an implausible explanation for it. Michael also claims to be having delusions. At this point, Adam would have reason to believe that Michael is unstable.
      5. Adam immediately went to the lycan police, who were waiting at the hospital probably because they knew that Michael would show up there eventually to get his wound treated.
      6. Michael then jumped out a window to flee the police.

      So, Michael had an injury and gave what sounds like a made-up explanation for it, he claimed to be having delusions, and he ran from the police. If the Lycan police gave Adam any contact information, they probably started ignoring him at this point, since they needed nothing else from him. So Adam might have called the real police to ask what was going on. Then the police would have the name of someone known to be at the scene of the shooting who is acting very erratically and fleeing the police. There is probably adequate of reason to call Michael a suspect at this point.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: He was wanted for questioning that's why.

      It was more than that: he was a suspect in the shooting. Near the beginning of Evolution, the TV in the tavern showed a picture of Michael with the captain, "wanted criminal" or "wanted fugitive" (I can't remember which). The TV showed a picture of Michael and gave his name.

      I bet that Adam Lockwood turned him in. Think about the events from Adam's perspective (going from memory here, so correct me if I get something wrong):

      1. Adam gets interviewed by two people who claim to be the police, saying that they suspect that Michael was involved in a shooting.
      2. Adam initially tries to protect Michael, giving him a tip that the police are coming.
      3. Later, Adam probably learned from the news that there was a shooting in the subway station near Michael's apartment.
      4. Michael then shows up at the hospital with a mysterious injury and provides an implausible explanation for it. Michael also claims to be having delusions. At this point, Adam would have reason to believe that Michael is unstable.
      5. Adam immediately went to the lycan police, who were waiting at the hospital probably because they knew that Michael would show up there eventually to get his wound treated.
      6. Michael then jumped out a window to flee the police.

      So, Michael had an injury and gave what sounds like a made-up explanation for it, he claimed to be having delusions, and he ran from the police. If the Lycan police gave Adam any contact information, they probably started ignoring him at this point, since they needed nothing else from him. So Adam might have called the real police to ask what was going on. Then the police would have the name of someone known to be at the scene of the shooting who is acting very erratically and fleeing the police. There is probably adequate of reason to call Michael a suspect at this point.

      True.

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    • Yeah he is, at least I would say so. Here are my arguments: 

      1. I don't think that they would kill him in this lame way(like a rabbit) after being resurected in the Awakening(they could just let him die there after the blast). 

      2. He was too powerfull to be killed by Marius who was mere lycan. He killed William(as a first lycan) and had a good fight with both Marcus and Viktor(even only a moment after he got his powers). So I don't think that Marius could potentionaly kill him(him being caught by Marius is bad scripting anyway). 

      3. As Selene said his power could be limitless so hes not dead until we know it for sure. I think is highly possible that he can bring himself back from death again because he has all three traits. He was already dead once, yet he still managed to surrvie.

      So nah, Michael is not dead and if he is then its even worse scripting than before.  

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:
      It was more than that: he was a suspect in the shooting. Near the beginning of Evolution, the TV in the tavern showed a picture of Michael with the captain, "wanted criminal" or "wanted fugitive" (I can't remember which). The TV showed a picture of Michael and gave his name.

      I bet that Adam Lockwood turned him in. Think about the events from Adam's perspective (going from memory here, so correct me if I get something wrong):

      1. Adam gets interviewed by two people who claim to be the police, saying that they suspect that Michael was involved in a shooting.
      2. Adam initially tries to protect Michael, giving him a tip that the police are coming.
      3. Later, Adam probably learned from the news that there was a shooting in the subway station near Michael's apartment.
      4. Michael then shows up at the hospital with a mysterious injury and provides an implausible explanation for it. Michael also claims to be having delusions. At this point, Adam would have reason to believe that Michael is unstable.
      5. Adam immediately went to the lycan police, who were waiting at the hospital probably because they knew that Michael would show up there eventually to get his wound treated.
      6. Michael then jumped out a window to flee the police.

      So, Michael had an injury and gave what sounds like a made-up explanation for it, he claimed to be having delusions, and he ran from the police. If the Lycan police gave Adam any contact information, they probably started ignoring him at this point, since they needed nothing else from him. So Adam might have called the real police to ask what was going on. Then the police would have the name of someone known to be at the scene of the shooting who is acting very erratically and fleeing the police. There is probably adequate of reason to call Michael a suspect at this point.

      No to pretty much all of that. All the cops we saw in the first movie were fake ones. They were lycans. So when Adam left the message on Michael's answering machine about Michael being connected to the shootout and wanted for questioning, that was also from the fake police. I would also never buy Adam selling Michael out. He did everything in his power to keep the police at bay/help Michael. He left the warning message on Michael's answering machine and he tried to stall the 'cops' at the hospital. The guy clearly cared for Michael a great deal.

      That's why that part in Evolution makes no sense. Because there was no real police in the first movie. But suddenly he is wanted so much they plaster his face on the tv? Sorry, but that was just bad writing. Really bad writing.

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    • You guys are forgetting one detail, at the end of awakening, Eve has a vision with (or connection, whatever it is) Michael of him running up to the roof. However, from Marius memories he cut Michael's throat and bled him inside the building. So more than likely, after bleeding him and leaving him there to die, Michael revived and then head up to the roof. I'm also thinking that Eve journeyed not only protect herself and her mother, but to find her father and hopefully seek his guidance.

      Besides, why would they cast Trent Garrett for Michael if Michael was dead? I imagine they will use Trent Garrett in similar manner they used Paul Walker's brothers and cgi Speedman's appearance over Trent. But since I'm not entirely sure that's legal since Speedman is alive, maybe they'll just cast Trent normally and pass it off as if it has always been him since the start. And to be honest, I would prefer Trent over Speedman. His appearance fits the role better I think. 

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    • Gruwen wrote: You guys are forgetting one detail, at the end of awakening, Eve has a vision with (or connection, whatever it is) Michael of him running up to the roof. However, from Marius memories he cut Michael's throat and bled him inside the building. So more than likely, after bleeding him and leaving him there to die, Michael revived and then head up to the roof.

      hmm... Interesting theory but I don't think that there was enough time for all of this to happen. Dr. Lane was probably working for Marius, so it make sense that he knew about Michael's location and that Selene was attacking Antigen at that moment and since she was tearing the place apart Marius wouldn't risk getting in there, so he likely waited for them to come out. Michael was the first to get out, so Marius probably followed him and captured him afterwards.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Gruwen wrote: You guys are forgetting one detail, at the end of awakening, Eve has a vision with (or connection, whatever it is) Michael of him running up to the roof. However, from Marius memories he cut Michael's throat and bled him inside the building. So more than likely, after bleeding him and leaving him there to die, Michael revived and then head up to the roof.

      hmm... Interesting theory but I don't think that there was enough time for all of this to happen. Dr. Lane was probably working for Marius, so it make sense that he knew about Michael's location and that Selene was attacking Antigen at that moment and since she was tearing the place apart Marius wouldn't risk getting in there, so he likely waited for them to come out. Michael was the first to get out, so Marius probably followed him and captured him afterwards.

      Mmm possible but wouldn't Eve have sensed him being bled?

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    • Ok, let's break this down.

      First we have Michael lying on the floor with a blanket and with some blood bags next to him.
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      Then Marius uncover him, Michael wakes up and say: 'I'm one of you'

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      Marius draw a gun.

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      Marius turns around and starts to gun these people down.

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      Then Marius ties Michael, hang him upside down and slice his throat.
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      After that you only see Marius injecting Michael's blood, and puting the rest on a safe.

      So, who were those people? Lycans? Were they helping Michael until Marius arrived? Why Marius killed them?

      Thoughts?

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    • I think those people might have been humans. But those images did not convince me Michael was killed as his head wasn't sliced off.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I think those people might have been humans. But those images did not convince me Michael was killed as his head wasn't sliced off.


      Yeah, I'm not convinced either. If those guys were humans it could mean that it exists some pro-immortal community that helps some of the infected. More of them could had arrived and helped Michael after Marius left.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      I think those people might have been humans. But those images did not convince me Michael was killed as his head wasn't sliced off.


      Yeah, I'm not convinced either. If those guys were humans it could mean that it exists some pro-immortal community that helps some of the infected. More of them could had arrived and helped Michael after Marius left.

      Yeah I agree, and wouldn't that be an excellent plotline? Pro-immortal human community who helped immortals in the past?

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Yeah I agree, and wouldn't that be an excellent plotline? Pro-immortal human community who helped immortals in the past?

      I know, right? It would give the humans a more meaningful part to play, instead of just those IPU scumbags that simply hunt and kill vampires and lycans because they're different.

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    • Thanks for the pictures Trinity. But they just confirm to me how idiotic this whole thing is. The room looks very much like a lab. Guess that's supposed to be Antigen since we saw at the end of Awakening the building was surrounded by police cars. So those armed forces are probably police. Also that's not a lot of blood coming out Michael there lol, so rapid blood loss is out.

      We know Michael escaped Antigen. We know he was fine physically when he left. We don't see it but Selene was having no trouble post waking up and Michael is stronger than her since he's a hybrid. This would also mean that this all happened in or around the time of the garage fight or shortly after? And a simple lycan like Marius was able to take on Michael? Pft. I call BULL. None of this makes a lick of sense.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote: Thanks for the pictures Trinity. But they just confirm to me how idiotic this whole thing is. The room looks very much like a lab. Guess that's supposed to be Antigen since we saw at the end of Awakening the building was surrounded by police cars. So those armed forces are probably police. Also that's not a lot of blood coming out Michael there lol, so rapid blood loss is out.

      We know Michael escaped Antigen. We know he was fine physically when he left. We don't see it but Selene was having no trouble post waking up and Michael is stronger than her since he's a hybrid. This would also mean that this all happened in or around the time of the garage fight or shortly after? And a simple lycan like Marius was able to take on Michael? Pft. I call BULL. None of this makes a lick of sense.

      I agree.

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    • Killing the best male character I hate it

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    • Very interesting theories. 

      I wonder if there are still some people left that were followers (Cleaners) of Alexander?   We know from Evolution the boat exploaded and everyone was killed.  I'd think that Alexander still have other people somewhere around the world maybe? 

      They were always cleaning up the mess, maybe there where some left that are following Michael, so perhaps they might be the ones that protected Michael and maybe will be the one that will resurect him.

      In Evolution Alexander's bodyguards (Cleaners) have "the kit" when Alexander was dying.

      http://underworld.wikia.com/wiki/Cleaners

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    • Brimmski wrote: Very interesting theories. 

      I wonder if there are still some people left that were followers (Cleaners) of Alexander?   We know from Evolution the boat exploaded and everyone was killed.  I'd think that Alexander still have other people somewhere around the world maybe? 

      They were always cleaning up the mess, maybe there where some left that are following Michael, so perhaps they might be the ones that protected Michael and maybe will be the one that will resurect him.

      In Evolution Alexander's bodyguards (Cleaners) have "the kit" when Alexander was dying.

      http://underworld.wikia.com/wiki/Cleaners

      Hmm maybe.

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    • Michael survived being impaled, I really do not think draining him of blood would kill him. Maybe just putting him in a state similar to what the Elders go into every so often. I don't know honestly but I hate that they toyed with bringing him back just to get someone else to come in as him and kill him off within a few seconds.

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    • Demonicvampiregirl wrote: Michael survived being impaled, I really do not think draining him of blood would kill him. Maybe just putting him in a state similar to what the Elders go into every so often. I don't know honestly but I hate that they toyed with bringing him back just to get someone else to come in as him and kill him off within a few seconds.

      I agree. Nice to hear someone else agrees with me about the blood draining.

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    • Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      Michael survived being impaled, I really do not think draining him of blood would kill him. Maybe just putting him in a state similar to what the Elders go into every so often. I don't know honestly but I hate that they toyed with bringing him back just to get someone else to come in as him and kill him off within a few seconds.

      Oh....

      That would be interesting, so here's another shot with regards to "The Cleaners" so they have the "kit" with Alexanders' blood. This is in did a long shot but if there are still people loyal to Alexander left then they could technically "resurect" Michael.  But I don't think it matters much for Michael if he gets Alexander's blood or someone else.

      But this would be an interesting story for sure! Another thing is what if the other Lycans are maybe keeping Michael's body in hopes to be an "Elder Lycan".

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    • Brimmski wrote:

      Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      Michael survived being impaled, I really do not think draining him of blood would kill him. Maybe just putting him in a state similar to what the Elders go into every so often. I don't know honestly but I hate that they toyed with bringing him back just to get someone else to come in as him and kill him off within a few seconds.

      Oh....

      That would be interesting, so here's another shot with regards to "The Cleaners" so they have the "kit" with Alexanders' blood. This is in did a long shot but if there are still people loyal to Alexander left then they could technically "resurect" Michael.  But I don't think it matters much for Michael if he gets Alexander's blood or someone else.

      But this would be an interesting story for sure! Another thing is what if the other Lycans are maybe keeping Michael's body in hopes to be an "Elder Lycan".

      Perhaps.

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    • Brimmski wrote:

      But this would be an interesting story for sure! Another thing is what if the other Lycans are maybe keeping Michael's body in hopes to be an "Elder Lycan".

      The Lycans would probably try to recruit Michael into their pack, but I don't think they would want him as their new alpha, and even if they wanted I don't think Michael would accept after everything they did to him.

      Now, I could see the loyal Cleaners wanting him as their new leader to bring back order and keep Alexander's legacy alive.

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    • I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote: I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

      I agree with you on that. I think his internal organs should have been ripped out.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote: I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

      I agree with you on that. I think his internal organs should have been ripped out.

      Fed to him while he was alive.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote: I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

      I agree with you on that. I think his internal organs should have been ripped out.

      Fed to him while he was alive.

      And having his entrails draped on churchyard railings.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote: I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

      I agree with you on that. I think his internal organs should have been ripped out.
      Fed to him while he was alive.
      And having his entrails draped on churchyard railings.


      Whoa, What a savagery! ...I like it. >:)

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote: I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

      I agree with you on that. I think his internal organs should have been ripped out.
      Fed to him while he was alive.
      And having his entrails draped on churchyard railings.


      Whoa, What a savagery! ...I like it. >:)

      Oh and use a sonic wave amplifier to liquefy his brain. And yeah I guess I can be rather savage, so I'd do well as a lycan, or lycan dominant lycan vampire hybrid or even as a dragon or animal shapeshifter.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote: I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

      I agree with you on that. I think his internal organs should have been ripped out.
      Fed to him while he was alive.
      And having his entrails draped on churchyard railings.

      Whoa, What a savagery! ...I like it. >:)
      Oh and use a sonic wave amplifier to liquefy his brain. And yeah I guess I can be rather savage, so I'd do well as a lycan, or lycan dominant lycan vampire hybrid or even as a dragon or animal shapeshifter.


      Anyone can be savage.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote: I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

      I agree with you on that. I think his internal organs should have been ripped out.
      Fed to him while he was alive.
      And having his entrails draped on churchyard railings.

      Whoa, What a savagery! ...I like it. >:)
      Oh and use a sonic wave amplifier to liquefy his brain. And yeah I guess I can be rather savage, so I'd do well as a lycan, or lycan dominant lycan vampire hybrid or even as a dragon or animal shapeshifter.


      Anyone can be savage.

      True we all have the wild in us.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote: I do not know how you feel about it. I think Marius is a spineless coward in figurally and literally to treat characters like Michael and Selene. The way he died was too easy on him.

      I agree with you on that. I think his internal organs should have been ripped out.
      Fed to him while he was alive.
      And having his entrails draped on churchyard railings.

      Whoa, What a savagery! ...I like it. >:)
      Oh and use a sonic wave amplifier to liquefy his brain. And yeah I guess I can be rather savage, so I'd do well as a lycan, or lycan dominant lycan vampire hybrid or even as a dragon or animal shapeshifter.


      Anyone can be savage.

      True we all have the wild in us.

      Some can control it and some can not and the consequences will punish you.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Anyone can be savage.

      True we all have the wild in us.
      Some can control it and some can not and the consequences will punish you.

      That's deep guys...

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Anyone can be savage.

      True we all have the wild in us.
      Some can control it and some can not and the consequences will punish you.

      That's deep guys...

      I mean Marcus killed Alexander and a couple of Cleaners and William killed the other Cleaners and the consequences were the purges.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Anyone can be savage.

      True we all have the wild in us.
      Some can control it and some can not and the consequences will punish you.

      That's deep guys...

      I mean Marcus killed Alexander and a couple of Cleaners and William killed the other Cleaners and the consequences were the purges.

      Yes. I think we can all agree that its best to control one's rage.

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    • I really really hope that Michael hadn't died, not just because I ship him with Selene, but because I think they didn't think it through. First, because Michael is capable of ORGAN REGENERATION! Other way, how could he have survived being impaled though the heart in Evolution. But that's not all... The Elders, who weren't even Corvinus, were capable of spending 100 years in suspension, without a drop of blood to their mouths... kinda like the HIV virus... or any virus for that matter. That said. Viktor was completely dry in Underworld, just some drops of blood were able to revive him, now how the hell did Marius just cut Michaels throat and killed him? Ridiculous ¬¬

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    • 177.204.0.116 wrote:
      I really really hope that Michael hadn't died, not just because I ship him with Selene, but because I think they didn't think it through. First, because Michael is capable of ORGAN REGENERATION! Other way, how could he have survived being impaled though the heart in Evolution. But that's not all... The Elders, who weren't even Corvinus, were capable of spending 100 years in suspension, without a drop of blood to their mouths... kinda like the HIV virus... or any virus for that matter. That said. Viktor was completely dry in Underworld, just some drops of blood were able to revive him, now how the hell did Marius just cut Michaels throat and killed him? Ridiculous ¬¬

      Why do they want Michael to die so badly

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    • Hknylmz1 wrote:

      177.204.0.116 wrote:
      I really really hope that Michael hadn't died, not just because I ship him with Selene, but because I think they didn't think it through. First, because Michael is capable of ORGAN REGENERATION! Other way, how could he have survived being impaled though the heart in Evolution. But that's not all... The Elders, who weren't even Corvinus, were capable of spending 100 years in suspension, without a drop of blood to their mouths... kinda like the HIV virus... or any virus for that matter. That said. Viktor was completely dry in Underworld, just some drops of blood were able to revive him, now how the hell did Marius just cut Michaels throat and killed him? Ridiculous ¬¬

      Why do they want Michael to die so badly

      No idea.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Hknylmz1 wrote:


      177.204.0.116 wrote:
      I really really hope that Michael hadn't died, not just because I ship him with Selene, but because I think they didn't think it through. First, because Michael is capable of ORGAN REGENERATION! Other way, how could he have survived being impaled though the heart in Evolution. But that's not all... The Elders, who weren't even Corvinus, were capable of spending 100 years in suspension, without a drop of blood to their mouths... kinda like the HIV virus... or any virus for that matter. That said. Viktor was completely dry in Underworld, just some drops of blood were able to revive him, now how the hell did Marius just cut Michaels throat and killed him? Ridiculous ¬¬
      Why do they want Michael to die so badly
      No idea.

      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Hulk10 wrote:

      Hknylmz1 wrote:

      Why do they want Michael to die so badly
      No idea.
      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.

      Either that or they simply don't know what to do with the character. In Awakening they faked his death, but they woulnd't do it again, so they decided to kill him for good in Blood Wars. Same with Eve, they just sent her away as an lame excuse.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Hulk10 wrote:

      Hknylmz1 wrote:

      Why do they want Michael to die so badly
      No idea.
      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.
      Either that or they simply don't know what to do with the character. In Awakening they faked his death, but they woulnd't do it again, so they decided to kill him for good in Blood Wars. Same with Eve, they just sent her away as an lame excuse.


      I disagree with that they faked his death. I mean during the 12 years of purges how could the Vampire Elders know which vampires were alive and dead.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Hulk10 wrote:

      Hknylmz1 wrote:

      Why do they want Michael to die so badly
      No idea.
      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.
      Either that or they simply don't know what to do with the character. In Awakening they faked his death, but they woulnd't do it again, so they decided to kill him for good in Blood Wars. Same with Eve, they just sent her away as an lame excuse.

      I disagree with that they faked his death. I mean during the 12 years of purges how could the Vampire Elders know which vampires were alive and dead.

      I meant the movie producers "fake" his death by making us believe that Michael had died at the beginning of Underworld: Awakening, only to reveal that he was alive at the very end and that they woulnd't do the exact same thing again in Underworld: Blood Wars.

      I'm not sure what you mean about the Vampire Elders. They were all dead when the purges had begun.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Hulk10 wrote:

      Hknylmz1 wrote:

      Why do they want Michael to die so badly
      No idea.
      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.
      Either that or they simply don't know what to do with the character. In Awakening they faked his death, but they woulnd't do it again, so they decided to kill him for good in Blood Wars. Same with Eve, they just sent her away as an lame excuse.

      I disagree with that they faked his death. I mean during the 12 years of purges how could the Vampire Elders know which vampires were alive and dead.
      I meant the movie producers "fake" his death by making us believe that Michael had died at the beginning of Underworld: Awakening, only to reveal that he was alive at the very end and that they woulnd't do the exact same thing again in Underworld: Blood Wars.

      I'm not sure what you mean about the Vampire Elders. They were all dead when the purges had begun.

      I mean those Coven Leaders like Thomas. No, they didn't. It was said by one of the teams. "Retrieve the bodies." Michael has survive worst things than a direct hit by a silver grenade. Marcus impaled Michael and Selene thought he was dead.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      I mean those Coven Leaders like Thomas. No, they didn't. It was said by one of the teams. "Retrieve the bodies." Michael has survive worst things than a direct hit by a silver grenade. Marcus impaled Michael and Selene thought he was dead.

      Right, all i'm saying is that they used this whole situation as a poor excuse for Michael's absence in the movie.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      I mean those Coven Leaders like Thomas. No, they didn't. It was said by one of the teams. "Retrieve the bodies." Michael has survive worst things than a direct hit by a silver grenade. Marcus impaled Michael and Selene thought he was dead.
      Right, all i'm saying is that they used this whole situation as a poor excuse for Michael's absence in the movie.

      Maybe they did or maybe they didn't it was all hell breaks loose.

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    • I was very excited when you asked me if there was any news from david selena michael while you were talking about david in selena at the beginning of underworld blood wars I'm sure you remember

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    • Hknylmz1 wrote:
      I was very excited when you asked me if there was any news from david selena michael while you were talking about david in selena at the beginning of underworld blood wars I'm sure you remember


      You mean to say when David asked Selene if she heard any news from Michael at the beginning of the movie?

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Hknylmz1 wrote:
      I was very excited when you asked me if there was any news from david selena michael while you were talking about david in selena at the beginning of underworld blood wars I'm sure you remember

      You mean to say when David asked Selene if she heard any news from Michael at the beginning of the movie?

      At the beginning of the blood wars, the males attacked the sailors, then the david comes, and then david selena asks if there is any news from michael.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.

      Except it was confirmed that Michael is dead by the actors and the director in interviews. Doesn't mean they can't undo his death. Shouldn't be a problem considering how many people don't buy the way they decided to kill off Michael, myself included. Apparently the powers behind the scenes think we are stupid, like we haven't paid attention to previous movies.

      I've said it before and I stand by my opinion. The reason they don't want Michael (and Eve) around is two fold. One, both are supposed to be bigger badasses than Selene due to their specific hybrid nature. And since this is her franchise they can't have anyone stealing her show. Two, they don't seem to have any idea as to how to handle these specific kinds of hybrids. They seem to have no clue how to portray their power which is why they spend most of their time as damsels or get taken out easy despite the fact that they should kick all kinds of ass. The fact that Eve essentially got the Michael treatment (introduced as all powerful and then reduced to offscreen importance) just confirms this for me.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Hulk10 wrote:

      Hknylmz1 wrote:

      Why do they want Michael to die so badly
      No idea.
      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.
      Either that or they simply don't know what to do with the character. In Awakening they faked his death, but they woulnd't do it again, so they decided to kill him for good in Blood Wars. Same with Eve, they just sent her away as an lame excuse.

      I disagree with that they faked his death. I mean during the 12 years of purges how could the Vampire Elders know which vampires were alive and dead.
      I meant the movie producers "fake" his death by making us believe that Michael had died at the beginning of Underworld: Awakening, only to reveal that he was alive at the very end and that they woulnd't do the exact same thing again in Underworld: Blood Wars.

      I'm not sure what you mean about the Vampire Elders. They were all dead when the purges had begun.

      I mean those Coven Leaders like Thomas. No, they didn't. It was said by one of the teams. "Retrieve the bodies." Michael has survive worst things than a direct hit by a silver grenade. Marcus impaled Michael and Selene thought he was dead.

      True

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    • Hulk10, Michael being alive or dead depends on what limitations the hybrids have. Even in the 1st film, it's proven hybrids are not invincible. Victor was able to fight Michael toe to toe just fine, as was William in the 2nd film, despite he had been imprisoned for centuries with nobody to feed on. Marcus himself was a hybrid and Selene still killed him.

      With regards to the regenerating capabilities, you have to remember something important: in Blood Wars, Marius specifically showed Selene the vial of Michael's blood, saying that was all that was left of him. If that's true, then Marius had drained ALL of Michael's blood to give him his power boost. By comparison in the 2nd film, Marcus did no such thing to Michael upon fatally stabbing him and all. Upon reviving, it seemed that Michael's blood allowed this to happen.

      Therefore, if what Marius said was true, then the chances of Michael's survival are slim because all his blood had been drained, depriving him the means to successfully revive himself.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: Hulk10, Michael being alive or dead depends on what limitations the hybrids have. Even in the 1st film, it's proven hybrids are not invincible. Victor was able to fight Michael toe to toe just fine, as was William in the 2nd film, despite he had been imprisoned for centuries with nobody to feed on. Marcus himself was a hybrid and Selene still killed him.

      With regards to the regenerating capabilities, you have to remember something important: in Blood Wars, Marius specifically showed Selene the vial of Michael's blood, saying that was all that was left of him. If that's true, then Marius had drained ALL of Michael's blood to give him his power boost. By comparison in the 2nd film, Marcus did no such thing to Michael upon fatally stabbing him and all. Upon reviving, it seemed that Michael's blood allowed this to happen.

      Therefore, if what Marius said was true, then the chances of Michael's survival are slim because all his blood had been drained, depriving him the means to successfully revive himself.

      Problem is WE DON'T know its true, also need I remind you that impaling someone is going to cause exsanguination (ie total blood loss) that didn't kill him. I also think that it wasn't Michael's blood that allowed him to regenerate. And I'm getting really tired of defending my position. >:(

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Hulk10, Michael being alive or dead depends on what limitations the hybrids have. Even in the 1st film, it's proven hybrids are not invincible. Victor was able to fight Michael toe to toe just fine, as was William in the 2nd film, despite he had been imprisoned for centuries with nobody to feed on. Marcus himself was a hybrid and Selene still killed him.

      One has to remember that this universe operates on 'the older you are the more powerful you are'. Viktor was hundreds of years old and a trained fighter. Michael was literally just made and had no fighting experience. The same is true with Marcus/William vs Michael. Michael was still only 2 days into being a hybrid when he faced off with those 2. He still wasn't a fighter but he did match them in strenght. Give Michael the same age and experience, he would have ripped all 3 apart without any trouble.

      With regards to the regenerating capabilities, you have to remember something important: in Blood Wars, Marius specifically showed Selene the vial of Michael's blood, saying that was all that was left of him. If that's true, then Marius had drained ALL of Michael's blood to give him his power boost. By comparison in the 2nd film, Marcus did no such thing to Michael upon fatally stabbing him and all. Upon reviving, it seemed that Michael's blood allowed this to happen.

      You never take the word of a bad guy as the gospel truth. We never saw what Marius did with Michael's body. And if they want me (and others) to believe he is dead then they should have shown us Michael decapitated, dismembered or burned to ash. Marcus impaled Michael in Evolution right through the heart (not stabbed) on a giant metal rod which would have caused massive, rapid bleed out due to Michael's heart being destroyed. Michael's body however was able to repair the damage even without blood or bloodflow (because no heart). Marius slitting Michael's throat is nothing in comparison to that.

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    • And this is why I said IF what Marius said was true. It's quite obvious he could be just lying the whole time just to mess with Selene's head. The memory flashes we got weren't sufficient to prove what really happened to Michael and everything.

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    • Of course Marius lies, cry out loud Andreas was banished for being honest. Kraven lied that he killed Lucian to get the Crypt Keeper to put Kraven in charge. Victor lied to Selene that the Lycans killed her family so she would kill them.

      Everyone there lies. Marius thought Selene lied about her daughter. Why do you trust the flash backs?

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    • I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.

      TrinityOverlord makes an interesting point. But so do you Dragonfly82

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.

      True. But when Selene awoken in Antigen she was strong enough to fight her way out until she fed of one the guards. Michael should have been strong enough to do the same, in fact, at the end of the movie, he was no longer on the rooftop wich means that he was strong enough to jumped down and survive the fall.

      But it is also stated that vampires are more resistant to cold temperatures. Not sure if also applies to Hybrids of both species...

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.

      True. But when Selene awoken in Antigen she was strong enough to fight her way out until she fed of one the guards. Michael should have been strong enough to do the same, in fact, at the end of the movie, he was no longer on the rooftop wich means that he was strong enough to jumped down and survive the fall.

      But it is also stated that vampires are more resistant to cold temperatures. Not sure if also applies to Hybrids of both species...

      I think its possible that both species are cold resistant as the cold didn't slow Michael or William down.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.

      True. But when Selene awoken in Antigen she was strong enough to fight her way out until she fed of one the guards. Michael should have been strong enough to do the same, in fact, at the end of the movie, he was no longer on the rooftop wich means that he was strong enough to jumped down and survive the fall.

      But it is also stated that vampires are more resistant to cold temperatures. Not sure if also applies to Hybrids of both species...

      Maybe he fed on some guards off screen or the staff.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.

      True. But when Selene awoken in Antigen she was strong enough to fight her way out until she fed of one the guards. Michael should have been strong enough to do the same, in fact, at the end of the movie, he was no longer on the rooftop wich means that he was strong enough to jumped down and survive the fall.

      But it is also stated that vampires are more resistant to cold temperatures. Not sure if also applies to Hybrids of both species...

      Maybe he fed on some guards off screen or the staff.

      Maybe.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.

      True. But when Selene awoken in Antigen she was strong enough to fight her way out until she fed of one the guards. Michael should have been strong enough to do the same, in fact, at the end of the movie, he was no longer on the rooftop wich means that he was strong enough to jumped down and survive the fall.

      But it is also stated that vampires are more resistant to cold temperatures. Not sure if also applies to Hybrids of both species...

      Maybe he fed on some guards off screen or the staff.

      Maybe.

      There was many victims who did not leave at once.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.
      True. But when Selene awoken in Antigen she was strong enough to fight her way out until she fed of one the guards. Michael should have been strong enough to do the same, in fact, at the end of the movie, he was no longer on the rooftop wich means that he was strong enough to jumped down and survive the fall.

      But it is also stated that vampires are more resistant to cold temperatures. Not sure if also applies to Hybrids of both species...

      I think its possible that both species are cold resistant as the cold didn't slow Michael or William down.

      Yeah, I think Lycans are resistent too but only in wolf form, you know, because of the fur.

      And since vampires are cold-blooded and Lycans are warm-blooded, maybe hybrids of both species are able to change their body temperature at will, depending on the situation.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Maybe he fed on some guards off screen or the staff.

      There was many victims who did not leave at once.

      Well, in this case he couldn't have suffer of lack of energy.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Maybe he fed on some guards off screen or the staff.

      There was many victims who did not leave at once.

      Well, in this case he couldn't have suffer of lack of energy.

      Yeah.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote: I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      Or Michael was weak due to lack of energy, and he was first werewolf and then vampire. The silver bullets was soon to kill Michael but Selene biting him saved him.
      True. But when Selene awoken in Antigen she was strong enough to fight her way out until she fed of one the guards. Michael should have been strong enough to do the same, in fact, at the end of the movie, he was no longer on the rooftop wich means that he was strong enough to jumped down and survive the fall.

      But it is also stated that vampires are more resistant to cold temperatures. Not sure if also applies to Hybrids of both species...

      I think its possible that both species are cold resistant as the cold didn't slow Michael or William down.

      Yeah, I think Lycans are resistent too but only in wolf form, you know, because of the fur.

      And since vampires are cold-blooded and Lycans are warm-blooded, maybe hybrids of both species are able to change their body temperature at will, depending on the situation.

      Maybe Michael was gassed. It did work on Eve and soon on Selene.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Maybe Michael was gassed. It did work on Eve and soon on Selene.

      Also is a possibility.

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    • You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.


      Right, but vampires in general are described as cold-blooded creatures, hence their pale skin, so I don't see why it would be different in this franchise.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.


      Right, but vampires in general are described as cold-blooded creatures, hence their pale skin, so I don't see why it would be different in this franchise.

      Because not always is everything used like did Eve exist in the novelizations?

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.

      Right, but vampires in general are described as cold-blooded creatures, hence their pale skin, so I don't see why it would be different in this franchise.
      Because not always is everything used like did Eve exist in the novelizations?

      I don't think so. Only Underworld, Underworld: Evolution, and Underworld: Rise of The Lycans has noveliztions, Awakening and Blood Wars don't.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.

      Right, but vampires in general are described as cold-blooded creatures, hence their pale skin, so I don't see why it would be different in this franchise.
      Because not always is everything used like did Eve exist in the novelizations?

      I don't think so. Only Underworld, Underworld: Evolution, and Underworld: Rise of The Lycans has noveliztions, Awakening and Blood Wars don't.

      There is a answer. For your question.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.

      Right, but vampires in general are described as cold-blooded creatures, hence their pale skin, so I don't see why it would be different in this franchise.
      Because not always is everything used like did Eve exist in the novelizations?
      I don't think so. Only Underworld, Underworld: Evolution, and Underworld: Rise of The Lycans has noveliztions, Awakening and Blood Wars don't.
      There is a answer. For your question.

      Whose question?

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.


      Right, but vampires in general are described as cold-blooded creatures, hence their pale skin, so I don't see why it would be different in this franchise.

      The pale skin is due to never being in the sunlight. And they are not undead in this franchise

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.

      Right, but vampires in general are described as cold-blooded creatures, hence their pale skin, so I don't see why it would be different in this franchise.
      Because not always is everything used like did Eve exist in the novelizations?
      I don't think so. Only Underworld, Underworld: Evolution, and Underworld: Rise of The Lycans has noveliztions, Awakening and Blood Wars don't.
      There is a answer. For your question.

      Whose question?

      Your question about the differences between the franchises.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      You guys do know that the cold-blooded thing is only in the novelizations right so I'd be careful about making that assumption.

      Right, but vampires in general are described as cold-blooded creatures, hence their pale skin, so I don't see why it would be different in this franchise.
      The pale skin is due to never being in the sunlight. And they are not undead in this franchise

      Yes, I'm just saying that this franchise uses MOST of the novelizations lore, so I don't see any problem in having this small feature also in the movies, it's sounds cool and it just makes sense to me. And besides Selene and David walk in the sun and still look pale, wich makes me believe that this cold blooded thing is a possibilty, that's all.

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    • I think it was said we did not to see a Pregnant Selene and Michael trying to help her. But a painful contraction whole he is holding his hand she breaks his fingers or arm. He can regenerate broken bones and injuries. I am not sure if he would be alive.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      I think it was said we did not to see a Pregnant Selene and Michael trying to help her. But a painful contraction whole he is holding his hand she breaks his fingers or arm. He can regenerate broken bones and injuries. I am not sure if he would be alive.

      Not sure if I understand. What exactly are you referring to?

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      I think it was said we did not to see a Pregnant Selene and Michael trying to help her. But a painful contraction whole he is holding his hand she breaks his fingers or arm. He can regenerate broken bones and injuries. I am not sure if he would be alive.

      Not sure if I understand. What exactly are you referring to?

      In Awakening they had only fast forward, if a female woman is moody and unfriendly hint hint. How would a female vampire?

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Of course Marius lies, cry out loud Andreas was banished for being honest. Kraven lied that he killed Lucian to get the Crypt Keeper to put Kraven in charge. Victor lied to Selene that the Lycans killed her family so she would kill them.

      Everyone there lies. Marius thought Selene lied about her daughter. Why do you trust the flash backs?


      Tell me, is it possible to fake a blood memory? Remember, Sonja tried to keep the truth from Victor about Lucian, and it took only a bite from him to know the truth.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Of course Marius lies, cry out loud Andreas was banished for being honest. Kraven lied that he killed Lucian to get the Crypt Keeper to put Kraven in charge. Victor lied to Selene that the Lycans killed her family so she would kill them.

      Everyone there lies. Marius thought Selene lied about her daughter. Why do you trust the flash backs?


      Tell me, is it possible to fake a blood memory? Remember, Sonja tried to keep the truth from Victor about Lucian, and it took only a bite from him to know the truth.

      I think Kraven must have done that.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Of course Marius lies, cry out loud Andreas was banished for being honest. Kraven lied that he killed Lucian to get the Crypt Keeper to put Kraven in charge. Victor lied to Selene that the Lycans killed her family so she would kill them.

      Everyone there lies. Marius thought Selene lied about her daughter. Why do you trust the flash backs?


      Tell me, is it possible to fake a blood memory? Remember, Sonja tried to keep the truth from Victor about Lucian, and it took only a bite from him to know the truth.
      I think Kraven must have done that.

      Hmmm, don't recall that anywhere.  Remember, in the 2nd film, when Marcus bit Kraven, he found out the truth.

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    • I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.

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    • Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.

      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      Now, as for your Q of why not just burn him to ash, it's like this: Marius knows Michael's blood can only give him TEMPORARY boosts. At the beginning of the film, he had no idea how long it'd take to capture Eve. Therefore it'd be better to keep Michael alive to allow his blood supply to replenish, in the event he needed more hybrid blood for his own agenda.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      Now, as for your Q of why not just burn him to ash, it's like this: Marius knows Michael's blood can only give him TEMPORARY boosts. At the beginning of the film, he had no idea how long it'd take to capture Eve. Therefore it'd be better to keep Michael alive to allow his blood supply to replenish, in the event he needed more hybrid blood for his own agenda.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      You don't kill your best advantage.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.
      Now, as for your Q of why not just burn him to ash, it's like this: Marius knows Michael's blood can only give him TEMPORARY boosts. At the beginning of the film, he had no idea how long it'd take to capture Eve. Therefore it'd be better to keep Michael alive to allow his blood supply to replenish, in the event he needed more hybrid blood for his own agenda.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      You don't kill your best advantage.

      True, unless Marius felt Selene wouldn't be a threat. Remember, PRIOR to the Nordic Coven's ritual, we saw in the film that with Michael's blood, Marius was able to fight Selene just fine. Also, remember Marius only saw Selene sink into the icy waters, perhaps he thought she had drowned or something.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.
      Now, as for your Q of why not just burn him to ash, it's like this: Marius knows Michael's blood can only give him TEMPORARY boosts. At the beginning of the film, he had no idea how long it'd take to capture Eve. Therefore it'd be better to keep Michael alive to allow his blood supply to replenish, in the event he needed more hybrid blood for his own agenda.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      You don't kill your best advantage.

      True, unless Marius felt Selene wouldn't be a threat. Remember, PRIOR to the Nordic Coven's ritual, we saw in the film that with Michael's blood, Marius was able to fight Selene just fine. Also, remember Marius only saw Selene sink into the icy waters, perhaps he thought she had drowned or something.

      Either way. It's not something he can go to a blood bank and ask for Michael's blood. He needs to keep Michael alive. I mean I saw Daybreakers and Blade Trilogy. You have to think long term.

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    • If Marius did kill Selene. Then she would be one less problem of a sea of enemies who wants to kill him.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: True, unless Marius felt Selene wouldn't be a threat. Remember, PRIOR to the Nordic Coven's ritual, we saw in the film that with Michael's blood, Marius was able to fight Selene just fine. Also, remember Marius only saw Selene sink into the icy waters, perhaps he thought she had drowned or something.

      Either way. It's not something he can go to a blood bank and ask for Michael's blood. He needs to keep Michael alive. I mean I saw Daybreakers and Blade Trilogy. You have to think long term.

      Marius did thought on long term, that's why he storage Michael's blood on those small vials, instead of drinking or injecting all of it at once. I believe that Marius, most likely, didn't know about the true power of the hybrids's healing abilities so he assumed that Michael woulnd't survive the blood loss.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: True, unless Marius felt Selene wouldn't be a threat. Remember, PRIOR to the Nordic Coven's ritual, we saw in the film that with Michael's blood, Marius was able to fight Selene just fine. Also, remember Marius only saw Selene sink into the icy waters, perhaps he thought she had drowned or something.

      Either way. It's not something he can go to a blood bank and ask for Michael's blood. He needs to keep Michael alive. I mean I saw Daybreakers and Blade Trilogy. You have to think long term.

      Marius did thought on long term, that's why he storage Michael's blood on those small vials, instead of drinking or injecting all of it at once. I believe that Marius, most likely, didn't know about the true power of the hybrids's healing abilities so he assumed that Michael woulnd't survive the blood loss.

      I agree on the hybrids's healing abilities.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: True, unless Marius felt Selene wouldn't be a threat. Remember, PRIOR to the Nordic Coven's ritual, we saw in the film that with Michael's blood, Marius was able to fight Selene just fine. Also, remember Marius only saw Selene sink into the icy waters, perhaps he thought she had drowned or something.

      Either way. It's not something he can go to a blood bank and ask for Michael's blood. He needs to keep Michael alive. I mean I saw Daybreakers and Blade Trilogy. You have to think long term.

      Marius did thought on long term, that's why he storage Michael's blood on those small vials, instead of drinking or injecting all of it at once. I believe that Marius, most likely, didn't know about the true power of the hybrids's healing abilities so he assumed that Michael woulnd't survive the blood loss.

      I agree on the hybrids's healing abilities.

      I also agree.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      Mummy's don't have blood and neither have the Elders. If the organs are withered they would have nothing that produces blood. Even if the Elders go into hybernation with blood in them it would dry out soon enough. They need blood to come out of hybernation again. Michael however does not as we see that his organs/body can revive without blood transfusion. And while we saw Selene pour blood into the gaping hole in Michael's chest, his body at the time didn't have any working organs to make use of it.

      As to the second point, that would make Marius even more dumb than he already is. If he can't find Eve then Michael is his only power source. So if he got rid of Michael after not getting to Eve, I'd have to seriously question his IQ.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      Mummy's don't have blood and neither have the Elders. If the organs are withered they would have nothing that produces blood. Even if the Elders go into hybernation with blood in them it would dry out soon enough. They need blood to come out of hybernation again. Michael however does not as we see that his organs/body can revive without blood transfusion. And while we saw Selene pour blood into the gaping hole in Michael's chest, his body at the time didn't have any working organs to make use of it.

      As to the second point, that would make Marius even more dumb than he already is. If he can't find Eve then Michael is his only power source. So if he got rid of Michael after not getting to Eve, I'd have to seriously question his IQ.

      I agree.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Tell me, is it possible to fake a blood memory? Remember, Sonja tried to keep the truth from Victor about Lucian, and it took only a bite from him to know the truth.

      Why would Marius need to fake his blood memories? If you don't have a memory to begin with then you can lie all you want. He didn't need to fake or surpress anything. If he didn't dispose of Michael's body (dismemberment, burned or whatever) then it wouldn't be in his memory. Because it never happened. Apparently he didn't tell anyone else to dispose of his body either, otherwise that would be in his memory.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Tell me, is it possible to fake a blood memory? Remember, Sonja tried to keep the truth from Victor about Lucian, and it took only a bite from him to know the truth.

      Why would Marius need to fake his blood memories? If you don't have a memory to begin with then you can lie all you want. He didn't need to fake or surpress anything. If he didn't dispose of Michael's body (dismemberment, burned or whatever) then it wouldn't be in his memory. Because it never happened. Apparently he didn't tell anyone else to dispose of his body either, otherwise that would be in his memory.

      They did not say there was a toxin in the nature which woukd paralyze a vampire. There are lies and secrets.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      But it still leaves us with the problem of how Marius could have possibly won against Michael. Michael was clearly up and running at the end of Awakening. Yet from the pictures it looks like he's back inside Antigen laying weak on the ground surrounded by human police forces. Selene was fine coming out of cryo and Michael would be even more so. So how did Michael end up back inside to begin with? The problem is that the end of Awakening and the flashback in BW make no sense.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.

      But it still leaves us with the problem of how Marius could have possibly won against Michael. Michael was clearly up and running at the end of Awakening. Yet from the pictures it looks like he's back inside Antigen laying weak on the ground surrounded by human police forces. Selene was fine coming out of cryo and Michael would be even more so. So how did Michael end up back inside to begin with? The problem is that the end of Awakening and the flashback in BW make no sense.

      Maybe he took a sample of the treatment to temporary change him in a Super Lycan?

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: True, unless Marius felt Selene wouldn't be a threat. Remember, PRIOR to the Nordic Coven's ritual, we saw in the film that with Michael's blood, Marius was able to fight Selene just fine. Also, remember Marius only saw Selene sink into the icy waters, perhaps he thought she had drowned or something.

      Either way. It's not something he can go to a blood bank and ask for Michael's blood. He needs to keep Michael alive. I mean I saw Daybreakers and Blade Trilogy. You have to think long term.
      Marius did thought on long term, that's why he storage Michael's blood on those small vials, instead of drinking or injecting all of it at once. I believe that Marius, most likely, didn't know about the true power of the hybrids's healing abilities so he assumed that Michael woulnd't survive the blood loss.

      But if that's true then why would Marius be so convinced that once they have Eve's blood, their powers would be limitless? You'd think Marius would have to have SOME understanding of hybrid healing abilities...

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: True, unless Marius felt Selene wouldn't be a threat. Remember, PRIOR to the Nordic Coven's ritual, we saw in the film that with Michael's blood, Marius was able to fight Selene just fine. Also, remember Marius only saw Selene sink into the icy waters, perhaps he thought she had drowned or something.

      Either way. It's not something he can go to a blood bank and ask for Michael's blood. He needs to keep Michael alive. I mean I saw Daybreakers and Blade Trilogy. You have to think long term.
      Marius did thought on long term, that's why he storage Michael's blood on those small vials, instead of drinking or injecting all of it at once. I believe that Marius, most likely, didn't know about the true power of the hybrids's healing abilities so he assumed that Michael woulnd't survive the blood loss.

      But if that's true then why would Marius be so convinced that once they have Eve's blood, their powers would be limitless? You'd think Marius would have to have SOME understanding of hybrid healing abilities...

      He is not smart.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Maybe he took a sample of the treatment to temporary change him in a Super Lycan?

      Then he wouldn't need Michael at all if he had access to that. Because the serum that both Quint and then later Jacob took permanently changed them. Why bother with a temporary power up then?

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      Mummy's don't have blood and neither have the Elders. If the organs are withered they would have nothing that produces blood. Even if the Elders go into hybernation with blood in them it would dry out soon enough. They need blood to come out of hybernation again. Michael however does not as we see that his organs/body can revive without blood transfusion. And while we saw Selene pour blood into the gaping hole in Michael's chest, his body at the time didn't have any working organs to make use of it.

      As to the second point, that would make Marius even more dumb than he already is. If he can't find Eve then Michael is his only power source. So if he got rid of Michael after not getting to Eve, I'd have to seriously question his IQ.

      I agree as well.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      FunnyBunnies wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Tell me, is it possible to fake a blood memory? Remember, Sonja tried to keep the truth from Victor about Lucian, and it took only a bite from him to know the truth.
      Why would Marius need to fake his blood memories? If you don't have a memory to begin with then you can lie all you want. He didn't need to fake or surpress anything. If he didn't dispose of Michael's body (dismemberment, burned or whatever) then it wouldn't be in his memory. Because it never happened. Apparently he didn't tell anyone else to dispose of his body either, otherwise that would be in his memory.
      They did not say there was a toxin in the nature which woukd paralyze a vampire. There are lies and secrets.

      The discussion was about Marius' blood memories and if he could fake them to 'lie' about Michael. Unless I understood that part of the discussion wrong. So my point was that you can't  fake a memory that you never even had. Which means you can lie all you want. We didn't see Marius dispose of his body or telling anyone to do it (from what people have said about that scene). That leaves only 2 options, either he didn't dispose of Michael's body or his henchmen did without his knowledge. But this is something they needed to answer in the movie if they wanted the audience to believe Michael is really dead (according to director and actors he is).

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.
      But it still leaves us with the problem of how Marius could have possibly won against Michael. Michael was clearly up and running at the end of Awakening. Yet from the pictures it looks like he's back inside Antigen laying weak on the ground surrounded by human police forces. Selene was fine coming out of cryo and Michael would be even more so. So how did Michael end up back inside to begin with? The problem is that the end of Awakening and the flashback in BW make no sense.

      Well, we don't know what experiments Michael was subjected to in the years he was imprisoned just like Selene was. Since it's proven hybrids still have limitations, it's possible that constant experiments and such had weakened him where he was no longer as powerful as he once was in the first 2 films. If so, this could explain why Marius was after Eve's blood. Maybe at the beginning, Marius thought Michael's blood alone would be sufficient. Remember, Lucian felt similarly in the 1st film, thinking Michael's blood alone would make him strong enough to defeat Victor.

      But if Michael really had been weakened due to experimentation, then when Marius finally defeated him and drained his blood, he discovered that Michael's blood was no longer capable of giving him the power boost he needed, and someone else was required.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      FunnyBunnies wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.
      But it still leaves us with the problem of how Marius could have possibly won against Michael. Michael was clearly up and running at the end of Awakening. Yet from the pictures it looks like he's back inside Antigen laying weak on the ground surrounded by human police forces. Selene was fine coming out of cryo and Michael would be even more so. So how did Michael end up back inside to begin with? The problem is that the end of Awakening and the flashback in BW make no sense.

      Well, we don't know what experiments Michael was subjected to in the years he was imprisoned just like Selene was. Since it's proven hybrids still have limitations, it's possible that constant experiments and such had weakened him where he was no longer as powerful as he once was in the first 2 films. If so, this could explain why Marius was after Eve's blood. Maybe at the beginning, Marius thought Michael's blood alone would be sufficient. Remember, Lucian felt similarly in the 1st film, thinking Michael's blood alone would make him strong enough to defeat Victor.

      But if Michael really had been weakened due to experimentation, then when Marius finally defeated him and drained his blood, he discovered that Michael's blood was no longer capable of giving him the power boost he needed, and someone else was required.

      Actually there is little possibility that experimentation weakened Michael as Michael and Selene were imprisoned for 12 years, and Eve was 12 years old in the film, meaning that Eve was born very early in their captivity, and because Eve was the focus of Antigen, we can be fairly certain that Michael wasn't experimented on.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      FunnyBunnies wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I wonder, does nightshade poison works in Lycans and Hybrids as well? 'Cause Marius could have use that to paralyze Michael, and would explain why he didn't fight back and appeared so sick looking.
      But it still leaves us with the problem of how Marius could have possibly won against Michael. Michael was clearly up and running at the end of Awakening. Yet from the pictures it looks like he's back inside Antigen laying weak on the ground surrounded by human police forces. Selene was fine coming out of cryo and Michael would be even more so. So how did Michael end up back inside to begin with? The problem is that the end of Awakening and the flashback in BW make no sense.
      Well, we don't know what experiments Michael was subjected to in the years he was imprisoned just like Selene was. Since it's proven hybrids still have limitations, it's possible that constant experiments and such had weakened him where he was no longer as powerful as he once was in the first 2 films. If so, this could explain why Marius was after Eve's blood. Maybe at the beginning, Marius thought Michael's blood alone would be sufficient. Remember, Lucian felt similarly in the 1st film, thinking Michael's blood alone would make him strong enough to defeat Victor.

      But if Michael really had been weakened due to experimentation, then when Marius finally defeated him and drained his blood, he discovered that Michael's blood was no longer capable of giving him the power boost he needed, and someone else was required.

      Actually there is little possibility that experimentation weakened Michael as Michael and Selene were imprisoned for 12 years, and Eve was 12 years old in the film, meaning that Eve was born very early in their captivity, and because Eve was the focus of Antigen, we can be fairly certain that Michael wasn't experimented on.

      I'll give you that, but that might not have been the case at the VERY beginning. It's possible that experiments happened on Michael because initially, Antigen thought that as an offspring, Eve didn't inherit all the benefits Michael did. In other words, it's possible initially they thought Michael was more pure.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Well, we don't know what experiments Michael was subjected to in the years he was imprisoned just like Selene was. Since it's proven hybrids still have limitations, it's possible that constant experiments and such had weakened him where he was no longer as powerful as he once was in the first 2 films. If so, this could explain why Marius was after Eve's blood. Maybe at the beginning, Marius thought Michael's blood alone would be sufficient. Remember, Lucian felt similarly in the 1st film, thinking Michael's blood alone would make him strong enough to defeat Victor.

      But if Michael really had been weakened due to experimentation, then when Marius finally defeated him and drained his blood, he discovered that Michael's blood was no longer capable of giving him the power boost he needed, and someone else was required.

      What little we saw of Michael inside the cryo chamber, he looked fine. No different than Selene. Hybrids are actually said to be limitless, as per Selene about Michael in Evolution. And so far Michael had proven her right. Since even death couldn't kill him. What you say about Lucian is also wrong. Not just Michael's blood. Michael's blood was needed to bond the lycan and vampire strains and turn someone into a hybrid. That's why they also grabbed Amelia's blood. Lucian had the lycan strain, injected himself with Michael's blood which would bond the two viruses. Raze made the fatal mistake of not injecting Amelia's blood into Lucian when he found him 'dead'.

      If Michael had been that weak and depowered due to experimentation (and that means genetic manipulation) then he would be utterly useless to Marius to begin with. So why the hassle of getting Michael and his blood since he clearly had acess to Antigen and one would assume Antigen data.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Well, we don't know what experiments Michael was subjected to in the years he was imprisoned just like Selene was. Since it's proven hybrids still have limitations, it's possible that constant experiments and such had weakened him where he was no longer as powerful as he once was in the first 2 films. If so, this could explain why Marius was after Eve's blood. Maybe at the beginning, Marius thought Michael's blood alone would be sufficient. Remember, Lucian felt similarly in the 1st film, thinking Michael's blood alone would make him strong enough to defeat Victor.
      But if Michael really had been weakened due to experimentation, then when Marius finally defeated him and drained his blood, he discovered that Michael's blood was no longer capable of giving him the power boost he needed, and someone else was required.
      What little we saw of Michael inside the cryo chamber, he looked fine. No different than Selene. Hybrids are actually said to be limitless, as per Selene about Michael in Evolution. And so far Michael had proven her right. Since even death couldn't kill him. What you say about Lucian is also wrong. Not just Michael's blood. Michael's blood was needed to bond the lycan and vampire strains and turn someone into a hybrid. That's why they also grabbed Amelia's blood. Lucian had the lycan strain, injected himself with Michael's blood which would bond the two viruses. Raze made the fatal mistake of not injecting Amelia's blood into Lucian when he found him 'dead'.

      If Michael had been that weak and depowered due to experimentation (and that means genetic manipulation) then he would be utterly useless to Marius to begin with. So why the hassle of getting Michael and his blood since he clearly had acess to Antigen and one would assume Antigen data.

      Yes but genetic manipulation to weaken Michael doesn't mean it'll last forever. Remember at this point we don't know exactly WHEN Marius confronted Michael in the first place.

      As for Marius's hassle of getting him and his blood, if Antigen was completely destroyed, along with all blood samples, the very most he would have known is about Eve's existence and what her blood can do. However as he had no clue where Eve was, Marius had to (temporarily) settle for the next best thing. Thus, as we all know, Michael was merely stop-gap solution.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      FunnyBunnies wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Well, we don't know what experiments Michael was subjected to in the years he was imprisoned just like Selene was. Since it's proven hybrids still have limitations, it's possible that constant experiments and such had weakened him where he was no longer as powerful as he once was in the first 2 films. If so, this could explain why Marius was after Eve's blood. Maybe at the beginning, Marius thought Michael's blood alone would be sufficient. Remember, Lucian felt similarly in the 1st film, thinking Michael's blood alone would make him strong enough to defeat Victor.
      But if Michael really had been weakened due to experimentation, then when Marius finally defeated him and drained his blood, he discovered that Michael's blood was no longer capable of giving him the power boost he needed, and someone else was required.
      What little we saw of Michael inside the cryo chamber, he looked fine. No different than Selene. Hybrids are actually said to be limitless, as per Selene about Michael in Evolution. And so far Michael had proven her right. Since even death couldn't kill him. What you say about Lucian is also wrong. Not just Michael's blood. Michael's blood was needed to bond the lycan and vampire strains and turn someone into a hybrid. That's why they also grabbed Amelia's blood. Lucian had the lycan strain, injected himself with Michael's blood which would bond the two viruses. Raze made the fatal mistake of not injecting Amelia's blood into Lucian when he found him 'dead'.

      If Michael had been that weak and depowered due to experimentation (and that means genetic manipulation) then he would be utterly useless to Marius to begin with. So why the hassle of getting Michael and his blood since he clearly had acess to Antigen and one would assume Antigen data.

      Yes but genetic manipulation to weaken Michael doesn't mean it'll last forever. Remember at this point we don't know exactly WHEN Marius confronted Michael in the first place.

      As for Marius's hassle of getting him and his blood, if Antigen was completely destroyed, along with all blood samples, the very most he would have known is about Eve's existence and what her blood can do. However as he had no clue where Eve was, Marius had to (temporarily) settle for the next best thing. Thus, as we all know, Michael was merely stop-gap solution.

      Its still unlikely that they experimented on Michael.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Yes but genetic manipulation to weaken Michael doesn't mean it'll last forever. Remember at this point we don't know exactly WHEN Marius confronted Michael in the first place.

      As for Marius's hassle of getting him and his blood, if Antigen was completely destroyed, along with all blood samples, the very most he would have known is about Eve's existence and what her blood can do. However as he had no clue where Eve was, Marius had to (temporarily) settle for the next best thing. Thus, as we all know, Michael was merely stop-gap solution.

      Of course genetic manipulation lasts forever. Once you change someone's genes you can't undo it. Only by mutation. But you can't go back. From the pictures posted by Trinity it looks like a lab. The armed forces are probably neither vampires nor lycans (the clothes). They look like police forces. And since the movie makers refuse to tell us ANYTHING we could argue forever about what's what. So I'm going to assume that they are the police that surrounded Antigen at the end of the movie, somehow got their hands on Michael after Michael fled to the roof and brought him back inisde Antigen. And Marius somehow got into Antigen. Nothing else makes sense to me. But it also totally contradicts the end of Awakening and the fact that Michael should have been fine and strong enough post cryo de-freeze.

      It's actually fruitless to argue about that part thanks to crappy writers. They seemed to have put just as much thought into the script as the writers for Awakening. Which means no thought at all.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Yes but genetic manipulation to weaken Michael doesn't mean it'll last forever. Remember at this point we don't know exactly WHEN Marius confronted Michael in the first place.

      As for Marius's hassle of getting him and his blood, if Antigen was completely destroyed, along with all blood samples, the very most he would have known is about Eve's existence and what her blood can do. However as he had no clue where Eve was, Marius had to (temporarily) settle for the next best thing. Thus, as we all know, Michael was merely stop-gap solution.

      Of course genetic manipulation lasts forever. Once you change someone's genes you can't undo it. Only by mutation. But you can't go back. From the pictures posted by Trinity it looks like a lab. The armed forces are probably neither vampires nor lycans (the clothes). They look like police forces. And since the movie makers refuse to tell us ANYTHING we could argue forever about what's what. So I'm going to assume that they are the police that surrounded Antigen at the end of the movie, somehow got their hands on Michael after Michael fled to the roof and brought him back inisde Antigen. And Marius somehow got into Antigen. Nothing else makes sense to me. But it also totally contradicts the end of Awakening and the fact that Michael should have been fine and strong enough post cryo de-freeze.

      It's actually fruitless to argue about that part thanks to crappy writers. They seemed to have put just as much thought into the script as the writers for Awakening. Which means no thought at all.

      I doubt they experimented genetically on Michael. They didn't seem to do it with Selene or Eve. But I think its more likely they would have done so with Selene.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      FunnyBunnies wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Yes but genetic manipulation to weaken Michael doesn't mean it'll last forever. Remember at this point we don't know exactly WHEN Marius confronted Michael in the first place.

      As for Marius's hassle of getting him and his blood, if Antigen was completely destroyed, along with all blood samples, the very most he would have known is about Eve's existence and what her blood can do. However as he had no clue where Eve was, Marius had to (temporarily) settle for the next best thing. Thus, as we all know, Michael was merely stop-gap solution.

      Of course genetic manipulation lasts forever. Once you change someone's genes you can't undo it. Only by mutation. But you can't go back. From the pictures posted by Trinity it looks like a lab. The armed forces are probably neither vampires nor lycans (the clothes). They look like police forces. And since the movie makers refuse to tell us ANYTHING we could argue forever about what's what. So I'm going to assume that they are the police that surrounded Antigen at the end of the movie, somehow got their hands on Michael after Michael fled to the roof and brought him back inisde Antigen. And Marius somehow got into Antigen. Nothing else makes sense to me. But it also totally contradicts the end of Awakening and the fact that Michael should have been fine and strong enough post cryo de-freeze.

      It's actually fruitless to argue about that part thanks to crappy writers. They seemed to have put just as much thought into the script as the writers for Awakening. Which means no thought at all.

      I doubt they experimented genetically on Michael. They didn't seem to do it with Selene or Eve. But I think its more likely they would have done so with Selene.

      I agree more would have been done with Selene since Eve wasn't born yet at the time of her capture. Maybe after discovering Eve's potential, they wanted to see what more could be squeezed out of Selene, at least initially.

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    • Well is clear that the humans wanted Michael for some reason, at the beginning of Awakening you can hear their radio saying stuff like: 'we have the hybrid' and 'careful, we need this one alive', later the doctor that Selene dropped from the building mentioned that their were using their DNA to find a "cure". Then, of course, is also possible that the Lycans had already infiltrated Antigen and even the IPU's ranks prior or during of the purges and were using this as a cover story.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Well is clear that the humans wanted Michael for some reason, at the beginning of Awakening you can hear their radio saying stuff like: 'we have the hybrid' and 'careful, we need this one alive', later the doctor that Selene dropped from the building mentioned that their were using their DNA to find a "cure". Then, of course, is also possible that the Lycans had already infiltrated Antigen and even the IPU's ranks prior or during of the purges and were using this as a cover story.

      I could not understand what is that they wanted to cure? Do they think they could turned Vampires and Lycans into humans? It worked on Daybreakers.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Well is clear that the humans wanted Michael for some reason, at the beginning of Awakening you can hear their radio saying stuff like: 'we have the hybrid' and 'careful, we need this one alive', later the doctor that Selene dropped from the building mentioned that their were using their DNA to find a "cure". Then, of course, is also possible that the Lycans had already infiltrated Antigen and even the IPU's ranks prior or during of the purges and were using this as a cover story.
      I could not understand what is that they wanted to cure? Do they think they could turned Vampires and Lycans into humans? It worked on Daybreakers.

      Yeah, who knows, maybe they did find it a cure a maybe that's why the purges stopped (I think). I lot of people must been infected by accident, eventually the humans realized that curing them is better than hunting and killing all of them.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Well is clear that the humans wanted Michael for some reason, at the beginning of Awakening you can hear their radio saying stuff like: 'we have the hybrid' and 'careful, we need this one alive', later the doctor that Selene dropped from the building mentioned that their were using their DNA to find a "cure". Then, of course, is also possible that the Lycans had already infiltrated Antigen and even the IPU's ranks prior or during of the purges and were using this as a cover story.
      I could not understand what is that they wanted to cure? Do they think they could turned Vampires and Lycans into humans? It worked on Daybreakers.

      Yeah, who knows, maybe they did find it a cure a maybe that's why the purges stopped (I think). I lot of people must been infected by accident, eventually the humans realized that curing them is better than hunting and killing all of them.

      I doubt they found a cure.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Well is clear that the humans wanted Michael for some reason, at the beginning of Awakening you can hear their radio saying stuff like: 'we have the hybrid' and 'careful, we need this one alive', later the doctor that Selene dropped from the building mentioned that their were using their DNA to find a "cure". Then, of course, is also possible that the Lycans had already infiltrated Antigen and even the IPU's ranks prior or during of the purges and were using this as a cover story.
      I could not understand what is that they wanted to cure? Do they think they could turned Vampires and Lycans into humans? It worked on Daybreakers.

      Unlikely. You have to remember in the Daybreakers film, humanity understood how the vampires originated from. But in the Underworld series, there's no such thing. Remember, in the 2nd film, Alexander specifically told Selene that for hundreds of years, he fought to keep the war contained and cleaned up the mess to ensure nobody would know about the vampire and lycan existence. Thus when humanity finally found out in Awakening, they had no clue how all this originated. Sure, they probably correctly guessed it was some sort of viral infection, but they didn't know about the Corvinus strain in any detail.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      Now, as for your Q of why not just burn him to ash, it's like this: Marius knows Michael's blood can only give him TEMPORARY boosts. At the beginning of the film, he had no idea how long it'd take to capture Eve. Therefore it'd be better to keep Michael alive to allow his blood supply to replenish, in the event he needed more hybrid blood for his own agenda.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      No, I haven't read the books for the movies. I didn't even know there was any until a couple days ago when I was reading. Besides that, aren't the books somewhat non-cannon as well? I've seen that on a few pages where they don't actually apply. I don't know about the ones based on the movies but yeah.


      In all honesty, Michael is probably still alive and in a comatose state just being used as a giant blood bag. Hopefully they stop this teasing bullshit and let us get some real closure on this. They could also do the smart thing and bring him and Eve back.

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    • Demonicvampiregirl wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      Now, as for your Q of why not just burn him to ash, it's like this: Marius knows Michael's blood can only give him TEMPORARY boosts. At the beginning of the film, he had no idea how long it'd take to capture Eve. Therefore it'd be better to keep Michael alive to allow his blood supply to replenish, in the event he needed more hybrid blood for his own agenda.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      No, I haven't read the books for the movies. I didn't even know there was any until a couple days ago when I was reading. Besides that, aren't the books somewhat non-cannon as well? I've seen that on a few pages where they don't actually apply. I don't know about the ones based on the movies but yeah.


      In all honesty, Michael is probably still alive and in a comatose state just being used as a giant blood bag. Hopefully they stop this teasing bullshit and let us get some real closure on this. They could also do the smart thing and bring him and Eve back.

      I agree with you.

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    • Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      Now, as for your Q of why not just burn him to ash, it's like this: Marius knows Michael's blood can only give him TEMPORARY boosts. At the beginning of the film, he had no idea how long it'd take to capture Eve. Therefore it'd be better to keep Michael alive to allow his blood supply to replenish, in the event he needed more hybrid blood for his own agenda.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      No, I haven't read the books for the movies. I didn't even know there was any until a couple days ago when I was reading. Besides that, aren't the books somewhat non-cannon as well? I've seen that on a few pages where they don't actually apply. I don't know about the ones based on the movies but yeah.


      In all honesty, Michael is probably still alive and in a comatose state just being used as a giant blood bag. Hopefully they stop this teasing bullshit and let us get some real closure on this. They could also do the smart thing and bring him and Eve back.


      I know what you mean. Eve I suspect will return in the next film because the Blood Wars ending seemed to show she followed Selene via the telepathic link or something. Michael however is harder to explain because we really don't know too much of what happened after Selene freed him in Awakening and then being captured by Marius later on. So unless Selene gave up on believing Michael is still alive, he has to return in some way.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Ok, let's break this down. First we have Michael lying on the floor with a blanket and with some blood bags next to him.
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      Then Marius uncover him, Michael wakes up and say: 'I'm one of you'

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      Marius draw a gun.

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      Marius turns around and starts to gun these people down.

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      Then Marius ties Michael, hang him upside down and slice his throat.
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      After that you only see Marius injecting Michael's blood, and puting the rest on a safe.

      So, who were those people? Lycans? Were they helping Michael until Marius arrived? Why Marius killed them?

      Thoughts?

      Maybe the Cleaners?

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    • Hknylmz1 wrote:
      177.204.0.116 wrote:
      I really really hope that Michael hadn't died, not just because I ship him with Selene, but because I think they didn't think it through. First, because Michael is capable of ORGAN REGENERATION! Other way, how could he have survived being impaled though the heart in Evolution. But that's not all... The Elders, who weren't even Corvinus, were capable of spending 100 years in suspension, without a drop of blood to their mouths... kinda like the HIV virus... or any virus for that matter. That said. Viktor was completely dry in Underworld, just some drops of blood were able to revive him, now how the hell did Marius just cut Michaels throat and killed him? Ridiculous ¬¬
      Why do they want Michael to die so badly

      Maybe because of Scott Speedman... maybe he doesn't wanna go back... and it would suck to change the actor ¬¬ I mean, for more than some blurry scenes. But the filmmakers keep telling us he's dead ¬¬ bad storytelling :(

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Hulk10 wrote:

      Hknylmz1 wrote:



      177.204.0.116 wrote:
      I really really hope that Michael hadn't died, not just because I ship him with Selene, but because I think they didn't think it through. First, because Michael is capable of ORGAN REGENERATION! Other way, how could he have survived being impaled though the heart in Evolution. But that's not all... The Elders, who weren't even Corvinus, were capable of spending 100 years in suspension, without a drop of blood to their mouths... kinda like the HIV virus... or any virus for that matter. That said. Viktor was completely dry in Underworld, just some drops of blood were able to revive him, now how the hell did Marius just cut Michaels throat and killed him? Ridiculous ¬¬
      Why do they want Michael to die so badly
      No idea.
      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.

      Yeah, but I heard they pretty much said he was definitely dead in interviews :(

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Hulk10 wrote:

      Hknylmz1 wrote:

      Why do they want Michael to die so badly
      No idea.
      It's marketing to build intensive need to watch the sixth movie. They left you question if Michael is alive or dead.
      Either that or they simply don't know what to do with the character. In Awakening they faked his death, but they woulnd't do it again, so they decided to kill him for good in Blood Wars. Same with Eve, they just sent her away as an lame excuse.

      Exactly :(

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      I mean those Coven Leaders like Thomas. No, they didn't. It was said by one of the teams. "Retrieve the bodies." Michael has survive worst things than a direct hit by a silver grenade. Marcus impaled Michael and Selene thought he was dead.
      Right, all i'm saying is that they used this whole situation as a poor excuse for Michael's absence in the movieI

      I just think they regreted some plot twists in Awakening, Ana Foerster said she didn't like the previous film ¬¬ but lame excuses for plot holes won't make the series any better ¬¬

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Hulk10, Michael being alive or dead depends on what limitations the hybrids have. Even in the 1st film, it's proven hybrids are not invincible. Victor was able to fight Michael toe to toe just fine, as was William in the 2nd film, despite he had been imprisoned for centuries with nobody to feed on. Marcus himself was a hybrid and Selene still killed him.

      With regards to the regenerating capabilities, you have to remember something important: in Blood Wars, Marius specifically showed Selene the vial of Michael's blood, saying that was all that was left of him. If that's true, then Marius had drained ALL of Michael's blood to give him his power boost. By comparison in the 2nd film, Marcus did no such thing to Michael upon fatally stabbing him and all. Upon reviving, it seemed that Michael's blood allowed this to happen.

      Therefore, if what Marius said was true, then the chances of Michael's survival are slim because all his blood had been drained, depriving him the means to successfully revive himself.

      I don't believe Michael's exanguination would had killed him, because he's said to be more powerful than Viktor and he it... what he lacked was fighting experience. The Elders didn't really have blood in them. And if they did, it would had dried down in the 200 years of hibernation. Remember the scene when Selene awakens Viktor? He was dry inside. 

      Although you'd said something that has made me think. If Marius said that that vial was the LAST of Michael... that probably meant he had disposed of the body... but how? I mean, it could make Michael weak ou kind of in suspension to exanguinate him, but if it were somehow he got some blood, maybe that would have revived him. But then why wouldn't Selene see him disposing of Michael's body? Or ordering someone to do that for him? I mean, I'd hate for Michael to die, but after years of frustration with other series, I'm just reluctant to hope :(

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      I don't know on the whole blood memory thing but think about this, if Viktor, Markus and Amelia can survive 100 years at a time without any blood, becoming a husk pretty much, why can't Michael survive a few months without it? It takes a lot of blood to get them back to normal, you could see how many blood packs was attached to Viktor just trying to return him to full strenght. The same can easily be done for Michael. We did not see his head being taken off or him being burnt to ash. This leads to pretty much only one possibility so far: he was just drained of all his blood. It shows that vampires (maybe just Elders?) can survive not feeding for at least 100 years, even Eve went what, 14 years without feeding once? Michael is her father, he'd have to have something similar in power to that.
      I don't think it's about a time without ANY blood. If you had read the novelization for the Underworld Rise of the Lycans book, you'd know that at the moment of an Elder's awakening, he/she would be like a withered mummy. That's what the book said. The keyword here is "withered," which seems to imply they have a very small amout of blood in them. Remember, when they went into hiberation, they did so still with blood in them.

      Now, as for your Q of why not just burn him to ash, it's like this: Marius knows Michael's blood can only give him TEMPORARY boosts. At the beginning of the film, he had no idea how long it'd take to capture Eve. Therefore it'd be better to keep Michael alive to allow his blood supply to replenish, in the event he needed more hybrid blood for his own agenda.

      This, of course, would contradict that Marius actually drained all of Michael's blood. But then again, it's possible after discovering that Selene didn't know where Eve was, Marius felt Michael had outlived his usefulness.

      I have to disagree with your last point. Why would Marius kill his only source of hybrid blood once he knew Selene didn't know where Eve was? Doesn't make sense. 

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    • 177.132.62.168 wrote:
      Maybe the Cleaners?

      Could be, but why would they let Marius inside? Was Marius infiltrated in the Cleaners's ranks or he was an Cleaner that decided to become a Lycan? It could be some interesting backstories for him, since he has, like, none at all...

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      177.132.62.168 wrote:
      Maybe the Cleaners?
      Could be, but why would they let Marius inside? Was Marius infiltrated in the Cleaners's ranks or he was an Cleaner that decided to become a Lycan? It could be some interesting backstories for him, since he has, like, none at all...

      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.

      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.

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    • Yeah I agree. We need to know more about the Lycans.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.
      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.

      Yeah the 2nd film was mostly just to explain how the war originated. That being said, I'd want to see Marcus and William return again, if only in flashbacks. To me, it seemed Marcus should have known better than to trust Victor and everything. I'm hoping a film could be made to tell us just what kind of havoc William caused in the very beginning, and what caused Marcus to turn to Victor in the first place. Was it because he actually believed Victor would honor his word? Or was it because he was desperate to stop his brother's actions and decided it was worth the gamble of turning to a homicidal warlord?

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.
      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.

      Yeah the 2nd film was mostly just to explain how the war originated. That being said, I'd want to see Marcus and William return again, if only in flashbacks. To me, it seemed Marcus should have known better than to trust Victor and everything. I'm hoping a film could be made to tell us just what kind of havoc William caused in the very beginning, and what caused Marcus to turn to Victor in the first place. Was it because he actually believed Victor would honor his word? Or was it because he was desperate to stop his brother's actions and decided it was worth the gamble of turning to a homicidal warlord?

      I imagine it was a combination of both belief and desperation.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.
      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.
      Yeah the 2nd film was mostly just to explain how the war originated. That being said, I'd want to see Marcus and William return again, if only in flashbacks. To me, it seemed Marcus should have known better than to trust Victor and everything. I'm hoping a film could be made to tell us just what kind of havoc William caused in the very beginning, and what caused Marcus to turn to Victor in the first place. Was it because he actually believed Victor would honor his word? Or was it because he was desperate to stop his brother's actions and decided it was worth the gamble of turning to a homicidal warlord?
      I imagine it was a combination of both belief and desperation.

      Possibly, but it'll have to depend on Tanis's view as well. Remember, according to him, the lycans that William created are purely animal. But in the 3rd film, it's shown this isn't entirely the case. When Lucian went to them to begin his rebellion, they could tell the difference between a normal human being and a 2nd generation lycan in human form.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.
      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.
      Yeah the 2nd film was mostly just to explain how the war originated. That being said, I'd want to see Marcus and William return again, if only in flashbacks. To me, it seemed Marcus should have known better than to trust Victor and everything. I'm hoping a film could be made to tell us just what kind of havoc William caused in the very beginning, and what caused Marcus to turn to Victor in the first place. Was it because he actually believed Victor would honor his word? Or was it because he was desperate to stop his brother's actions and decided it was worth the gamble of turning to a homicidal warlord?
      I imagine it was a combination of both belief and desperation.

      Possibly, but it'll have to depend on Tanis's view as well. Remember, according to him, the lycans that William created are purely animal. But in the 3rd film, it's shown this isn't entirely the case. When Lucian went to them to begin his rebellion, they could tell the difference between a normal human being and a 2nd generation lycan in human form.

      That's true too but also you should remember that William mainly attacked vampires and humans. He also did not attack his brother.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:


      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.
      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.
      Yeah the 2nd film was mostly just to explain how the war originated. That being said, I'd want to see Marcus and William return again, if only in flashbacks. To me, it seemed Marcus should have known better than to trust Victor and everything. I'm hoping a film could be made to tell us just what kind of havoc William caused in the very beginning, and what caused Marcus to turn to Victor in the first place. Was it because he actually believed Victor would honor his word? Or was it because he was desperate to stop his brother's actions and decided it was worth the gamble of turning to a homicidal warlord?
      I imagine it was a combination of both belief and desperation.
      Possibly, but it'll have to depend on Tanis's view as well. Remember, according to him, the lycans that William created are purely animal. But in the 3rd film, it's shown this isn't entirely the case. When Lucian went to them to begin his rebellion, they could tell the difference between a normal human being and a 2nd generation lycan in human form.
      That's true too but also you should remember that William mainly attacked vampires and humans. He also did not attack his brother.

      Which proves no matter how strong the infection was, no lycan was completely devoid of humanity. The real Q here is how much humanity is still left in them. Assuming Victor even saw there was humanity left in them, likely he dismissed it as being too negligible to make any difference. I'm willing to bet that's how the other vampires saw it as well. And therefore, because they saw the 1st generation lycans this way for so long, they naturally assumed it'd be the same for the 2nd generation when Lucian was born. Sonja seemed to be the only one who tried to look at it from a different view.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:


      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.
      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.
      Yeah the 2nd film was mostly just to explain how the war originated. That being said, I'd want to see Marcus and William return again, if only in flashbacks. To me, it seemed Marcus should have known better than to trust Victor and everything. I'm hoping a film could be made to tell us just what kind of havoc William caused in the very beginning, and what caused Marcus to turn to Victor in the first place. Was it because he actually believed Victor would honor his word? Or was it because he was desperate to stop his brother's actions and decided it was worth the gamble of turning to a homicidal warlord?
      I imagine it was a combination of both belief and desperation.
      Possibly, but it'll have to depend on Tanis's view as well. Remember, according to him, the lycans that William created are purely animal. But in the 3rd film, it's shown this isn't entirely the case. When Lucian went to them to begin his rebellion, they could tell the difference between a normal human being and a 2nd generation lycan in human form.
      That's true too but also you should remember that William mainly attacked vampires and humans. He also did not attack his brother.

      Which proves no matter how strong the infection was, no lycan was completely devoid of humanity. The real Q here is how much humanity is still left in them. Assuming Victor even saw there was humanity left in them, likely he dismissed it as being too negligible to make any difference. I'm willing to bet that's how the other vampires saw it as well. And therefore, because they saw the 1st generation lycans this way for so long, they naturally assumed it'd be the same for the 2nd generation when Lucian was born. Sonja seemed to be the only one who tried to look at it from a different view.

      Given the evidence presented by the 3rd film and all the films I'd say that Lycans have quite a bit of humanity in them.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:


      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.
      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.
      Yeah the 2nd film was mostly just to explain how the war originated. That being said, I'd want to see Marcus and William return again, if only in flashbacks. To me, it seemed Marcus should have known better than to trust Victor and everything. I'm hoping a film could be made to tell us just what kind of havoc William caused in the very beginning, and what caused Marcus to turn to Victor in the first place. Was it because he actually believed Victor would honor his word? Or was it because he was desperate to stop his brother's actions and decided it was worth the gamble of turning to a homicidal warlord?
      I imagine it was a combination of both belief and desperation.
      Possibly, but it'll have to depend on Tanis's view as well. Remember, according to him, the lycans that William created are purely animal. But in the 3rd film, it's shown this isn't entirely the case. When Lucian went to them to begin his rebellion, they could tell the difference between a normal human being and a 2nd generation lycan in human form.
      That's true too but also you should remember that William mainly attacked vampires and humans. He also did not attack his brother.
      Which proves no matter how strong the infection was, no lycan was completely devoid of humanity. The real Q here is how much humanity is still left in them. Assuming Victor even saw there was humanity left in them, likely he dismissed it as being too negligible to make any difference. I'm willing to bet that's how the other vampires saw it as well. And therefore, because they saw the 1st generation lycans this way for so long, they naturally assumed it'd be the same for the 2nd generation when Lucian was born. Sonja seemed to be the only one who tried to look at it from a different view.
      Given the evidence presented by the 3rd film and all the films I'd say that Lycans have quite a bit of humanity in them.

      I felt the same way after watched the 3rd film. The 4th film I haven't fully watched though, don't know how they felt about vampires in that one.

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      Hulk10 wrote:

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      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:


      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      That's what I'm hoping for in a future film. After all, we didn't really get much of Lucian's backstory until the 3rd film. Yes we knew from the 1st film of his love for Sonja, but we didn't get the details as to how cruel Victor really was until Rise of the Lycans, which contributed to the war in the first place.
      Yeah, they seem to be focusing way to much on the vampires. The 1st and 3rd movies were more balanced as for motivations for both species to be at war, the 2nd film there is almost no Lycans in it and the 4th and 5th just shows them as the bad guys.
      Yeah the 2nd film was mostly just to explain how the war originated. That being said, I'd want to see Marcus and William return again, if only in flashbacks. To me, it seemed Marcus should have known better than to trust Victor and everything. I'm hoping a film could be made to tell us just what kind of havoc William caused in the very beginning, and what caused Marcus to turn to Victor in the first place. Was it because he actually believed Victor would honor his word? Or was it because he was desperate to stop his brother's actions and decided it was worth the gamble of turning to a homicidal warlord?
      I imagine it was a combination of both belief and desperation.
      Possibly, but it'll have to depend on Tanis's view as well. Remember, according to him, the lycans that William created are purely animal. But in the 3rd film, it's shown this isn't entirely the case. When Lucian went to them to begin his rebellion, they could tell the difference between a normal human being and a 2nd generation lycan in human form.
      That's true too but also you should remember that William mainly attacked vampires and humans. He also did not attack his brother.
      Which proves no matter how strong the infection was, no lycan was completely devoid of humanity. The real Q here is how much humanity is still left in them. Assuming Victor even saw there was humanity left in them, likely he dismissed it as being too negligible to make any difference. I'm willing to bet that's how the other vampires saw it as well. And therefore, because they saw the 1st generation lycans this way for so long, they naturally assumed it'd be the same for the 2nd generation when Lucian was born. Sonja seemed to be the only one who tried to look at it from a different view.
      Given the evidence presented by the 3rd film and all the films I'd say that Lycans have quite a bit of humanity in them.

      I felt the same way after watched the 3rd film. The 4th film I haven't fully watched though, don't know how they felt about vampires in that one.

      I've seen the 4th movie.

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    • Maybe this is just me, but you really wonder how much do the lycans know their own history. Haven't any of them wondered why the war began with the vampires in the first place? Because it seems to me that other than Selene, everyone else who knew how it all began got killed off in the first two films. Makes you really wonder if anyone ever considered a non-genocide approach. It's not completely out of the question, given that David did allow Marius's surviving forces to leave the Eastern Coven.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: Maybe this is just me, but you really wonder how much do the lycans know their own history. Haven't any of them wondered why the war began with the vampires in the first place? Because it seems to me that other than Selene, everyone else who knew how it all began got killed off in the first two films. Makes you really wonder if anyone ever considered a non-genocide approach. It's not completely out of the question, given that David did allow Marius's surviving forces to leave the Eastern Coven.

      I wonder that too.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: Maybe this is just me, but you really wonder how much do the lycans know their own history. Haven't any of them wondered why the war began with the vampires in the first place? Because it seems to me that other than Selene, everyone else who knew how it all began got killed off in the first two films. Makes you really wonder if anyone ever considered a non-genocide approach. It's not completely out of the question, given that David did allow Marius's surviving forces to leave the Eastern Coven.

      I wonder that too.

      You also have to remember that at the end of Blood Wars, Selene's final narrative did say that she hoped perhaps now there could be peace. However as I see it, during all these years of war, Victor never let the secret out of what caused the war in the first place. If Selene is to tell the Eastern Coven members, maybe there could be peace. But on the other hand if the Lycans ever knew how it all began, it may keep the war going. After all, if they discovered the truth, they could easily argue to Selene "Well how do we know there aren't those within your Coven who are just like what Victor was?"

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: Maybe this is just me, but you really wonder how much do the lycans know their own history. Haven't any of them wondered why the war began with the vampires in the first place? Because it seems to me that other than Selene, everyone else who knew how it all began got killed off in the first two films. Makes you really wonder if anyone ever considered a non-genocide approach. It's not completely out of the question, given that David did allow Marius's surviving forces to leave the Eastern Coven.

      I wonder that too.

      You also have to remember that at the end of Blood Wars, Selene's final narrative did say that she hoped perhaps now there could be peace. However as I see it, during all these years of war, Victor never let the secret out of what caused the war in the first place. If Selene is to tell the Eastern Coven members, maybe there could be peace. But on the other hand if the Lycans ever knew how it all began, it may keep the war going. After all, if they discovered the truth, they could easily argue to Selene "Well how do we know there aren't those within your Coven who are just like what Victor was?"

      You do have a point.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: Maybe this is just me, but you really wonder how much do the lycans know their own history. Haven't any of them wondered why the war began with the vampires in the first place? Because it seems to me that other than Selene, everyone else who knew how it all began got killed off in the first two films. Makes you really wonder if anyone ever considered a non-genocide approach. It's not completely out of the question, given that David did allow Marius's surviving forces to leave the Eastern Coven.

      I wonder that too.
      You also have to remember that at the end of Blood Wars, Selene's final narrative did say that she hoped perhaps now there could be peace. However as I see it, during all these years of war, Victor never let the secret out of what caused the war in the first place. If Selene is to tell the Eastern Coven members, maybe there could be peace. But on the other hand if the Lycans ever knew how it all began, it may keep the war going. After all, if they discovered the truth, they could easily argue to Selene "Well how do we know there aren't those within your Coven who are just like what Victor was?"
      You do have a point.

      In that regard I wish we got to learn more about Amelia. I guess we still can if she returns via flashbacks. I got the feeling she didn't approve of Victor's slavery ways. In fact from the 3rd film it seemed a lot of vampires felt Victor's dictatorial mentality would ultimately lead to war. Really makes you wonder if any actually thought of rebelling against him, maybe even before Lucian's rebellion began...

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    • In every scene in blood wars, I was like "Where is Michelle, he should totally be part of that fight"

      His disappearance isn't justified he should be alive, and not being in any sequel isn't justified as well, the direction they are taking and the production behind Underworld are really ruining the core of the movie without absolutely any valid reason at all.

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    • 41.36.56.115 wrote:
      In every scene in blood wars, I was like "Where is Michelle, he should totally be part of that fight"

      His disappearance isn't justified he should be alive, and not being in any sequel isn't justified as well, the direction they are taking and the production behind Underworld are really ruining the core of the movie without absolutely any valid reason at all.

      Something I could never understand.

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    • 41.36.56.115 wrote:
      In every scene in blood wars, I was like "Where is Michelle, he should totally be part of that fight"

      His disappearance isn't justified he should be alive, and not being in any sequel isn't justified as well, the direction they are taking and the production behind Underworld are really ruining the core of the movie without absolutely any valid reason at all.

      There are times where I wonder if the reason they don't bring Michael back is because they can't get Scott Speedman to play him again.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      41.36.56.115 wrote:
      In every scene in blood wars, I was like "Where is Michelle, he should totally be part of that fight"

      His disappearance isn't justified he should be alive, and not being in any sequel isn't justified as well, the direction they are taking and the production behind Underworld are really ruining the core of the movie without absolutely any valid reason at all.

      There are times where I wonder if the reason they don't bring Michael back is because they can't get Scott Speedman to play him again.

      In blood wars, Marius supposedly killed him, but how on earth being a regular Lycan, before taking Michelle's blood, did he manage to do it, just BS, it's like as if they are keeping him as reserve, will shove him in whenever they feel like it with the excuse of "Oh come on he is Michelle, no way Marius could kill him, his body was kept in ice and it was minor blood loss", I just hate how they think, they are brainless.

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    • Fantastic Mo wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      41.36.56.115 wrote:
      In every scene in blood wars, I was like "Where is Michelle, he should totally be part of that fight"

      His disappearance isn't justified he should be alive, and not being in any sequel isn't justified as well, the direction they are taking and the production behind Underworld are really ruining the core of the movie without absolutely any valid reason at all.

      There are times where I wonder if the reason they don't bring Michael back is because they can't get Scott Speedman to play him again.
      In blood wars, Marius supposedly killed him, but how on earth being a regular Lycan, before taking Michelle's blood, did he manage to do it, just BS, it's like as if they are keeping him as reserve, will shove him in whenever they feel like it with the excuse of "Oh come on he is Michelle, no way Marius could kill him, his body was kept in ice and it was minor blood loss", I just hate how they think, they are brainless.

      You have to remember that hybrids still have limitations. You're right we don't know how it was done, but at the same time we didn't exactly get any info about Marius's character either. We don't know where he came from or anything. Given that Semira had been saying about his threat, it seems to imply Marius is a greater threat than Lucian was. That's why I hope to hear a bit about his past and all in the next film, and go from there.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Fantastic Mo wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      41.36.56.115 wrote:
      In every scene in blood wars, I was like "Where is Michelle, he should totally be part of that fight"

      His disappearance isn't justified he should be alive, and not being in any sequel isn't justified as well, the direction they are taking and the production behind Underworld are really ruining the core of the movie without absolutely any valid reason at all.

      There are times where I wonder if the reason they don't bring Michael back is because they can't get Scott Speedman to play him again.
      In blood wars, Marius supposedly killed him, but how on earth being a regular Lycan, before taking Michelle's blood, did he manage to do it, just BS, it's like as if they are keeping him as reserve, will shove him in whenever they feel like it with the excuse of "Oh come on he is Michelle, no way Marius could kill him, his body was kept in ice and it was minor blood loss", I just hate how they think, they are brainless.

      You have to remember that hybrids still have limitations. You're right we don't know how it was done, but at the same time we didn't exactly get any info about Marius's character either. We don't know where he came from or anything. Given that Semira had been saying about his threat, it seems to imply Marius is a greater threat than Lucian was. That's why I hope to hear a bit about his past and all in the next film, and go from there.

      Don't you remember that Michael survived having his heart destroyed? That would cause massive exsanguination.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Fantastic Mo wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      41.36.56.115 wrote:
      In every scene in blood wars, I was like "Where is Michelle, he should totally be part of that fight"

      His disappearance isn't justified he should be alive, and not being in any sequel isn't justified as well, the direction they are taking and the production behind Underworld are really ruining the core of the movie without absolutely any valid reason at all.

      There are times where I wonder if the reason they don't bring Michael back is because they can't get Scott Speedman to play him again.
      In blood wars, Marius supposedly killed him, but how on earth being a regular Lycan, before taking Michelle's blood, did he manage to do it, just BS, it's like as if they are keeping him as reserve, will shove him in whenever they feel like it with the excuse of "Oh come on he is Michelle, no way Marius could kill him, his body was kept in ice and it was minor blood loss", I just hate how they think, they are brainless.
      You have to remember that hybrids still have limitations. You're right we don't know how it was done, but at the same time we didn't exactly get any info about Marius's character either. We don't know where he came from or anything. Given that Semira had been saying about his threat, it seems to imply Marius is a greater threat than Lucian was. That's why I hope to hear a bit about his past and all in the next film, and go from there.
      Don't you remember that Michael survived having his heart destroyed? That would cause massive exsanguination.

      Yes but I always felt he came back because Selene gave him her blood and all that. If nothing else that could still be some sort of factor.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Fantastic Mo wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      41.36.56.115 wrote:
      In every scene in blood wars, I was like "Where is Michelle, he should totally be part of that fight"

      His disappearance isn't justified he should be alive, and not being in any sequel isn't justified as well, the direction they are taking and the production behind Underworld are really ruining the core of the movie without absolutely any valid reason at all.

      There are times where I wonder if the reason they don't bring Michael back is because they can't get Scott Speedman to play him again.
      In blood wars, Marius supposedly killed him, but how on earth being a regular Lycan, before taking Michelle's blood, did he manage to do it, just BS, it's like as if they are keeping him as reserve, will shove him in whenever they feel like it with the excuse of "Oh come on he is Michelle, no way Marius could kill him, his body was kept in ice and it was minor blood loss", I just hate how they think, they are brainless.
      You have to remember that hybrids still have limitations. You're right we don't know how it was done, but at the same time we didn't exactly get any info about Marius's character either. We don't know where he came from or anything. Given that Semira had been saying about his threat, it seems to imply Marius is a greater threat than Lucian was. That's why I hope to hear a bit about his past and all in the next film, and go from there.
      Don't you remember that Michael survived having his heart destroyed? That would cause massive exsanguination.

      Yes but I always felt he came back because Selene gave him her blood and all that. If nothing else that could still be some sort of factor.

      I disagree.

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    • You think Michael was just able to revive himself? If so then perhaps we may need details about all this in a future film.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: You think Michael was just able to revive himself? If so then perhaps we may need details about all this in a future film.

      I do think so. Simply because a small amount of blood entering into his body wouldn't have made much difference towards ending total blood loss.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: You think Michael was just able to revive himself? If so then perhaps we may need details about all this in a future film.

      I do think so. Simply because a small amount of blood entering into his body wouldn't have made much difference towards ending total blood loss.

      In that case we may need to learn more about hybrid abilities and limitations. For example, in the case of Marcus, being completely shredded makes sense for him not to revive. Marius too couldn't have because he had his head torn off. But how would you explain Lane? He didn't lose as much blood compared to Michael, and all Eve did was rip his throat out.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: You think Michael was just able to revive himself? If so then perhaps we may need details about all this in a future film.

      I do think so. Simply because a small amount of blood entering into his body wouldn't have made much difference towards ending total blood loss.

      In that case we may need to learn more about hybrid abilities and limitations. For example, in the case of Marcus, being completely shredded makes sense for him not to revive. Marius too couldn't have because he had his head torn off. But how would you explain Lane? He didn't lose as much blood compared to Michael, and all Eve did was rip his throat out.

      She ripped a sizable chunk of flesh from his neck, almost decapitating him. Or Jacob has an inferior healing ability to Michael.

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    • Possibly. After all, the experiments Lane and Quint did with Eve weren't finished by the time Selene interfered. It's possible that they weren't complete hybrids. After all, they didn't have the Covinus strain within them like Michael did, so maybe to achieve full hybrid status, they needed a lot more of Eve's blood, maybe even all of it. Maybe that's the same with Marius as well, in that despite being a hybrid, he wasn't a complete hybrid, if that makes any sense.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: Possibly. After all, the experiments Lane and Quint did with Eve weren't finished by the time Selene interfered. It's possible that they weren't complete hybrids. After all, they didn't have the Covinus strain within them like Michael did, so maybe to achieve full hybrid status, they needed a lot more of Eve's blood, maybe even all of it. Maybe that's the same with Marius as well, in that despite being a hybrid, he wasn't a complete hybrid, if that makes any sense.

      Yeah I agree though Quint and Jacob did have some Corvinus Strain in them, but perhaps Corvinus strain Hybrid's have inferior healing powers.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: Possibly. After all, the experiments Lane and Quint did with Eve weren't finished by the time Selene interfered. It's possible that they weren't complete hybrids. After all, they didn't have the Covinus strain within them like Michael did, so maybe to achieve full hybrid status, they needed a lot more of Eve's blood, maybe even all of it. Maybe that's the same with Marius as well, in that despite being a hybrid, he wasn't a complete hybrid, if that makes any sense.

      Yeah I agree though Quint and Jacob did have some Corvinus Strain in them, but perhaps Corvinus strain Hybrid's have inferior healing powers.

      I wouldn't say that, just that they didn't have enough of the Corvinus strain in them. Remember, both Michael and Marcus had the original strain in them from the beginning, and they had all of it. Lane and Quint had to siphon it from Eve's blood. Quint got more of it, but the fact remains the process wasn't complete. In the case with Marius, even if he really got all of Michael's blood, it's possible that he was less pure compared to Eve (hence the reason he wanted her blood), which would explain why even in hybrid form, Marius's abilities were still limited.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: Possibly. After all, the experiments Lane and Quint did with Eve weren't finished by the time Selene interfered. It's possible that they weren't complete hybrids. After all, they didn't have the Covinus strain within them like Michael did, so maybe to achieve full hybrid status, they needed a lot more of Eve's blood, maybe even all of it. Maybe that's the same with Marius as well, in that despite being a hybrid, he wasn't a complete hybrid, if that makes any sense.

      Yeah I agree though Quint and Jacob did have some Corvinus Strain in them, but perhaps Corvinus strain Hybrid's have inferior healing powers.

      I wouldn't say that, just that they didn't have enough of the Corvinus strain in them. Remember, both Michael and Marcus had the original strain in them from the beginning, and they had all of it. Lane and Quint had to siphon it from Eve's blood. Quint got more of it, but the fact remains the process wasn't complete. In the case with Marius, even if he really got all of Michael's blood, it's possible that he was less pure compared to Eve (hence the reason he wanted her blood), which would explain why even in hybrid form, Marius's abilities were still limited.

      Perhaps.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: Possibly. After all, the experiments Lane and Quint did with Eve weren't finished by the time Selene interfered. It's possible that they weren't complete hybrids. After all, they didn't have the Covinus strain within them like Michael did, so maybe to achieve full hybrid status, they needed a lot more of Eve's blood, maybe even all of it. Maybe that's the same with Marius as well, in that despite being a hybrid, he wasn't a complete hybrid, if that makes any sense.

      Yeah I agree though Quint and Jacob did have some Corvinus Strain in them, but perhaps Corvinus strain Hybrid's have inferior healing powers.
      I wouldn't say that, just that they didn't have enough of the Corvinus strain in them. Remember, both Michael and Marcus had the original strain in them from the beginning, and they had all of it. Lane and Quint had to siphon it from Eve's blood. Quint got more of it, but the fact remains the process wasn't complete. In the case with Marius, even if he really got all of Michael's blood, it's possible that he was less pure compared to Eve (hence the reason he wanted her blood), which would explain why even in hybrid form, Marius's abilities were still limited.
      Perhaps.

      Either that or Marius didn't consume all of Michael's blood all at once. Although if that's true, it really makes you think back in the first film if Lucian's plan to defeat Victor really could have worked or not, since he only took a sample of Michael's blood.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: Possibly. After all, the experiments Lane and Quint did with Eve weren't finished by the time Selene interfered. It's possible that they weren't complete hybrids. After all, they didn't have the Covinus strain within them like Michael did, so maybe to achieve full hybrid status, they needed a lot more of Eve's blood, maybe even all of it. Maybe that's the same with Marius as well, in that despite being a hybrid, he wasn't a complete hybrid, if that makes any sense.

      Yeah I agree though Quint and Jacob did have some Corvinus Strain in them, but perhaps Corvinus strain Hybrid's have inferior healing powers.
      I wouldn't say that, just that they didn't have enough of the Corvinus strain in them. Remember, both Michael and Marcus had the original strain in them from the beginning, and they had all of it. Lane and Quint had to siphon it from Eve's blood. Quint got more of it, but the fact remains the process wasn't complete. In the case with Marius, even if he really got all of Michael's blood, it's possible that he was less pure compared to Eve (hence the reason he wanted her blood), which would explain why even in hybrid form, Marius's abilities were still limited.
      Perhaps.

      Either that or Marius didn't consume all of Michael's blood all at once. Although if that's true, it really makes you think back in the first film if Lucian's plan to defeat Victor really could have worked or not, since he only took a sample of Michael's blood.

      Yeah. But I still think that a Corvinus Strain Hybrid's healing is inferior to Michael's.

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    • And that'd be nothing new anyway, since they never had the strain in the very beginning within their bloodline, but rather had to siphon it from another source, which in turn would run the risk of impurity and all that.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: And that'd be nothing new anyway, since they never had the strain in the very beginning within their bloodline, but rather had to siphon it from another source, which in turn would run the risk of impurity and all that.

      Yes and it would make their power inferior.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: And that'd be nothing new anyway, since they never had the strain in the very beginning within their bloodline, but rather had to siphon it from another source, which in turn would run the risk of impurity and all that.

      Yes and it would make their power inferior.

      You know, given that, I feel in a future Underworld film this should be used on Selene as well. If we follow this logic, the writers can't just say "It didn't work for them because they're the villain." That's not a legit excuse. Many have felt that Selene gained too much power by the end of Blood Wars. It's time she lost some of that power. Otherwise, who exactly is supposed to be strong enough to challenge her in the 6th film?

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: And that'd be nothing new anyway, since they never had the strain in the very beginning within their bloodline, but rather had to siphon it from another source, which in turn would run the risk of impurity and all that.

      Yes and it would make their power inferior.

      You know, given that, I feel in a future Underworld film this should be used on Selene as well. If we follow this logic, the writers can't just say "It didn't work for them because they're the villain." That's not a legit excuse. Many have felt that Selene gained too much power by the end of Blood Wars. It's time she lost some of that power. Otherwise, who exactly is supposed to be strong enough to challenge her in the 6th film?

      Yeah I agree

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: And that'd be nothing new anyway, since they never had the strain in the very beginning within their bloodline, but rather had to siphon it from another source, which in turn would run the risk of impurity and all that.

      Yes and it would make their power inferior.
      You know, given that, I feel in a future Underworld film this should be used on Selene as well. If we follow this logic, the writers can't just say "It didn't work for them because they're the villain." That's not a legit excuse. Many have felt that Selene gained too much power by the end of Blood Wars. It's time she lost some of that power. Otherwise, who exactly is supposed to be strong enough to challenge her in the 6th film?
      Yeah I agree

      In many ways I'm already curious just who exactly would be a strong enough villain to fight her for the 6th film.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: And that'd be nothing new anyway, since they never had the strain in the very beginning within their bloodline, but rather had to siphon it from another source, which in turn would run the risk of impurity and all that.

      Yes and it would make their power inferior.
      You know, given that, I feel in a future Underworld film this should be used on Selene as well. If we follow this logic, the writers can't just say "It didn't work for them because they're the villain." That's not a legit excuse. Many have felt that Selene gained too much power by the end of Blood Wars. It's time she lost some of that power. Otherwise, who exactly is supposed to be strong enough to challenge her in the 6th film?
      Yeah I agree

      In many ways I'm already curious just who exactly would be a strong enough villain to fight her for the 6th film.

      Yeah I'm curious too.

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    • Now, here's a crazy thought, what if... Eve becomes the next villain!? (ʘᗩʘ')

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