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  • In Underworld Evolution, Selene drinks the blood of Alexander Corwin in order to become more powerful than Marcus.

    Marcus is the first vampire and a hybrid to boot, which pretty much makes him the most powerful immortal around - he beats Michael Corwin twice in Underworld Evolution.

    When Selene kills Marcus that puts her at the top of the immortal ladder, given that everyone else, barring Michael, is dead. Underworld Awakening seems to ignore this completely and has her fighting standard lycans on the same level as the first movie.

    What gives?

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    • She has been frozen in ice for 12 years without drinking blood. William was weak after being captured in many centuries and that's why Michael was able to kill him.

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    • Well Dragonfly82 pretty much explained everything.I have a issues with Selene that script made her overpowered even in first movie it was noticable.

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    • You are welcome.

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    • She was not weak!  Neither was William.  She managed to kill all Lycans she saw and to fliped over a truck and send it flying.  Does that look weak to you?

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    • the moment selene consumed alexander's blood she was no longer a normal vampire. she most no longer requires to consume blood to stay alive like a normal vampire as she has the corvinus strain in her which grants her alexander's immortality. he doesn't require blood and therfore she most likely doesn't either so the first time she got out and drank some blood should have instantly got her back up to the proper level of strength

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    • Do we know what Alexander Corvinus ate? We know that vampires subsist only on blood. Michael Corvin as a hybrid could only consume blood. I don’t think the films show what lycans eat, but the Rise of the Lycans novelization said that they ate normal food. We saw Selene feed on blood in Awakening, so I think that she continued her diet of blood even after becoming a vampire-Corvinus strain hybrid.

      Also, Marcus drank blood after he became a hybrid. He killed that horse but didn’t eat it—he only drank its blood.

      Eve apparently grew up without feeding at all, but she gained strength from blood. I don’t know what Jacob and Quint ate.

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    • As I understand the lycans from awakening were genetically enhanced.

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    • I think she's just exhausted of fighting all the time, and she has very little to fight for since she gave up her daughter. 

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      As I understand the lycans from awakening were genetically enhanced.

      All of them? I thought only Jacob and Quint were.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      As I understand the lycans from awakening were genetically enhanced.
      All of them? I thought only Jacob and Quint were.

      When I watched the first couple of times I thought they were enhanced just not on the same level as Quint or jacob, like, just some small dose of serum to make them a bit stronger and more resilient, since they seemed pretty strong when they attack Thomas' coven and when Selene fight a few at the end, but as I watch nowadays I guess they are just healthy and trained Lycans.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      As I understand the lycans from awakening were genetically enhanced.
      All of them? I thought only Jacob and Quint were.
      When I watched the first couple of times I thought they were enhanced just not on the same level as Quint or jacob, like, just some small dose of serum to make them a bit stronger and more resilient, since they seemed pretty strong when they attack Thomas' coven and when Selene fight a few at the end, but as I watch nowadays I guess they are just healthy and trained Lycans.

      Healthy and trained in itself doesn't make all the difference. Experience too plays a factor. From what I got from the 3rd film, and then looked back at the 1st film, there was a reason why Raze was a tough lycan. After fighting alongside Lucian for centuries, the rest is self explanatory. This was be somewhat consistent with what Semira was telling Thomas at the beginning of the 5th film, that the new death dealer cadets are just raw recruits and therefore would be ineffective against Marius.

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    • Selene was NOT WEAK at all in Awakening.  She sent a van flying remember?  As for fighting Lycans, there are habits and styles that are tough to break after centuries.  She's used to fighting werewolves with guns or any weapon she can use rather than hand to hand despite her raw power is enough to easily defeat transformed Lycans.

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      Selene was NOT WEAK at all in Awakening.

      Exactly. The very reason they had to come up with an uber-lycan was because of her power level. In Blood Wars she was extremely under-powered though. She had first movie powers in that. What barely bothered her in the previous 2 movies took her down in less than 5 minutes in BW.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote:
      Selene was NOT WEAK at all in Awakening.
      Exactly. The very reason they had to come up with an uber-lycan was because of her power level. In Blood Wars she was extremely under-powered though. She had first movie powers in that. What barely bothered her in the previous 2 movies took her down in less than 5 minutes in BW.

      The only one giving her a true challenge was Marius, who was enhanced or powered-up by Michael's blood.  I don't think him having an upper-hand against her in combat makes her weak.

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      FunnyBunnies wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote:
      Selene was NOT WEAK at all in Awakening.
      Exactly. The very reason they had to come up with an uber-lycan was because of her power level. In Blood Wars she was extremely under-powered though. She had first movie powers in that. What barely bothered her in the previous 2 movies took her down in less than 5 minutes in BW.
      The only one giving her a true challenge was Marius, who was enhanced or powered-up by Michael's blood.  I don't think him having an upper-hand against her in combat makes her weak.

      Maybe not, but people had expected that because she had Alexander's blood in her, which held the original strain (and predates that of Michael's), her strength should still be higher. It just goes to show the original strain, if passed down to someone NOT part of the original bloodline, has its limitations.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote:
      FunnyBunnies wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote:
      Selene was NOT WEAK at all in Awakening.
      Exactly. The very reason they had to come up with an uber-lycan was because of her power level. In Blood Wars she was extremely under-powered though. She had first movie powers in that. What barely bothered her in the previous 2 movies took her down in less than 5 minutes in BW.
      The only one giving her a true challenge was Marius, who was enhanced or powered-up by Michael's blood.  I don't think him having an upper-hand against her in combat makes her weak.
      Maybe not, but people had expected that because she had Alexander's blood in her, which held the original strain (and predates that of Michael's), her strength should still be higher. It just goes to show the original strain, if passed down to someone NOT part of the original bloodline, has its limitations.

      We never even saw how powerful Alexander really was.  So whether his blood strengthened her to the point she was as strong as he was, or stronger, or simply strong enough to beat Marcus while still weaker than Alexander himself is unknowable.

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote:
      FunnyBunnies wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote:
      Selene was NOT WEAK at all in Awakening.
      Exactly. The very reason they had to come up with an uber-lycan was because of her power level. In Blood Wars she was extremely under-powered though. She had first movie powers in that. What barely bothered her in the previous 2 movies took her down in less than 5 minutes in BW.
      The only one giving her a true challenge was Marius, who was enhanced or powered-up by Michael's blood.  I don't think him having an upper-hand against her in combat makes her weak.
      Maybe not, but people had expected that because she had Alexander's blood in her, which held the original strain (and predates that of Michael's), her strength should still be higher. It just goes to show the original strain, if passed down to someone NOT part of the original bloodline, has its limitations.
      We never even saw how powerful Alexander really was.  So whether his blood strengthened her to the point she was as strong as he was, or stronger, or simply strong enough to beat Marcus while still weaker than Alexander himself is unknowable.

      True, but Alexander did say she'd become the future. His blood allowed her to walk in the sunlight without any harm, so by the end of the 2nd film a lot of people felt she should be way more powerful than any vampire or lycan. As for Alexander's strength is something we never saw, Selene did say that compared to Marcus, he's the only one older and stronger.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote: We never even saw how powerful Alexander really was.  So whether his blood strengthened her to the point she was as strong as he was, or stronger, or simply strong enough to beat Marcus while still weaker than Alexander himself is unknowable.
      True, but Alexander did say she'd become the future. His blood allowed her to walk in the sunlight without any harm, so by the end of the 2nd film a lot of people felt she should be way more powerful than any vampire or lycan. As for Alexander's strength is something we never saw, Selene did say that compared to Marcus, he's the only one older and stronger

      Again, with never actually seeing Alexander's powers, all is speculation.  Although I would like to believe he was strong enough to handle the hybrid Marus.  Just because Selene was enhanced with his blood doesn't mean no other enhancement can match her powers.  In terms of raw strength, Lycans or Werewolves are superior compared to their Vampiric counterparts on equal footing or when they have similar advtange.   

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote: We never even saw how powerful Alexander really was.  So whether his blood strengthened her to the point she was as strong as he was, or stronger, or simply strong enough to beat Marcus while still weaker than Alexander himself is unknowable.
      True, but Alexander did say she'd become the future. His blood allowed her to walk in the sunlight without any harm, so by the end of the 2nd film a lot of people felt she should be way more powerful than any vampire or lycan. As for Alexander's strength is something we never saw, Selene did say that compared to Marcus, he's the only one older and stronger
      Again, with never actually seeing Alexander's powers, all is speculation.  Although I would like to believe he was strong enough to handle the hybrid Marus.  Just because Selene was enhanced with his blood doesn't mean no other enhancement can match her powers.  In terms of raw strength, Lycans or Werewolves are superior compared to their Vampiric counterparts on equal footing or when they have similar advtange.   

      The latter I'll agree with you, given the beginning of the 2nd film, and how quickly William's infected killed so many vampires. However with the lycans themselves, it's a bit harder to say. Tell me something, in the assault on the Eastern Coven in BW, if Marius's troops never blew the holes in the castle to expose the sunlight, do you think they could have prevailed? (And assume for the moment Selene never intervened)

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      The only one giving her a true challenge was Marius, who was enhanced or powered-up by Michael's blood.  I don't think him having an upper-hand against her in combat makes her weak.

      Marius was not a challenge. Quint was much stonger than Marius. He swatted Selene around like a ball in a ping pong machine. And she always got back up. In BW Marius did the same and all it took was 3 or so times and Selene was laying there in the ground (when he pushed her through the castle wall) without getting back up.

      That's not even mentioning how Selene 'died'. Alexia drives a sword through her and Marius empties a few bullets in her and she is down and 'dead'. That makes no sense. Markus impaled her through the chest and it didn't bother her one bit. When breaking into Antigen in Awakening the lycans shot her and it didn't bother her.

      It makes even less sense when later in the movie Marius shoots David point blank with an automatic and not only does David look like someone is throwing feathers at him instead of bullets but he expells all the bullets no problem. And he is weaker than Selene.

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    • Marius wasn't as much of a challenge because he used Michael's blood, which wasn't pure, and gave him only a TEMPORARY power boost. Quint was subjected to Eve's blood (which even if impure, was purerer than Michael's). Yes the experimentation wasn't finished, but he gained an almost instant heal and immunity to silver. The experiments were administered in a way that was done much more properly than just drinking the blood, so it could have gotten into Quint's bloodstream in a better way than what Marius did.

      As for Marius shooting David and him expelling the bullets, this is because back in the 4th film, David already had a little bit of Selene's blood in him, which made him a vampire hybrid, hence why the bullets weren't as effective.

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    • I agree that she was ridiculously under-powered in Blood Wars. Marius was stronger than the avarage Lycans, sure, but he was not a hybrid and Selene should've been able to kill him in their first confrotation at the Nordic Coven. I would've believed that he defeated her then, if he had the help from at least a small group of lycans back him up. They depowered Selene so much that they even gave her new powers!

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      I agree that she was ridiculously under-powered in Blood Wars. Marius was stronger than the avarage Lycans, sure, but he was not a hybrid and Selene should've been able to kill him in their first confrotation at the Nordic Coven. I would've believed that he defeated her then, if he had the help from at least a small group of lycans back him up. They depowered Selene so much that they even gave her new powers!

      And funnily it looked like the only powers she got were the teleportation/speed and spiritual ability. It doesn't add strenght or durability (see Lena). She wasn't any stronger in their final confrontation than she was the whole movie. But she was seriously depowered when compared to Evo and Awakening. That Selene, as you said, would have beaten Marius in the first fight.

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    • If Selene's performence in combat seems weak in Blood Wars, we should also keep in mind she's also very depressed, feeling that she lost everthing and everone she loved, and hunted by both Lycans and Vampires, then the vampires betrayed her again.  She didn't exactly have the motivation to win or do her very best.  As for strength level, we cannot tell how strong Marius is with his enhancement from Michael's blood, he might have been as long as Quint Lane, or not, there is no way to tell.  So just because Selene couldn't outmatch Marius strength-wise, it doesn't mean she's weak.  

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    • hmm... What about that Nighshade poison? Could she has been still weakened by it when she first fought against Marius? Semira or Varga stated that it can take a while for the poison to fully dissipate.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      hmm... What about that Nighshade poison? Could she has been still weakened by it when she first fought against Marius? Semira or Varga stated that it can take a while for the poison to fully dissipate.

      Not really possible. Considering that Selene was almost drained by the time Thomas and David rescue her, there can't be anymore poison left.

      DarkRobin wrote: If Selene's performence in combat seems weak in Blood Wars, we should also keep in mind she's also very depressed, feeling that she lost everthing and everone she loved, and hunted by both Lycans and Vampires, then the vampires betrayed her again. She didn't exactly have the motivation to win or do her very best. As for strength level, we cannot tell how strong Marius is with his enhancement from Michael's blood, he might have been as long as Quint Lane, or not, there is no way to tell. So just because Selene couldn't outmatch Marius strength-wise, it doesn't mean she's weak.

      She might be depressed prior to that due to Eve. But we are to believe that all wonderful David (barf) considers her family and Selene fights for family. And he tells her that before they even get on the train to the Nordic Coven. Selene also helps those that help her, she wouldn't just let the Nordic Coven be destroyed.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      hmm... What about that Nighshade poison? Could she has been still weakened by it when she first fought against Marius? Semira or Varga stated that it can take a while for the poison to fully dissipate.

      That's a possibility, didn't think of that. Varga said it took time to run its course. Maybe the blood sample for Semira dissipated quicker, but for it to dissipate in Selene herself, it was something very different.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      hmm... What about that Nighshade poison? Could she has been still weakened by it when she first fought against Marius? Semira or Varga stated that it can take a while for the poison to fully dissipate.
      That's a possibility, didn't think of that. Varga said it took time to run its course. Maybe the blood sample for Semira dissipated quicker, but for it to dissipate in Selene herself, it was something very different.

      Yeah, the scene of Semira drinking Selene's blood happens after Selene is defeated by Marius. It's hard to tell the time passage in this movie, but if I had to guess, I say that it took several weeks for Semira to finally drink her blood safely.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      TrinityOverlord wrote:
      hmm... What about that Nighshade poison? Could she has been still weakened by it when she first fought against Marius? Semira or Varga stated that it can take a while for the poison to fully dissipate.
      That's a possibility, didn't think of that. Varga said it took time to run its course. Maybe the blood sample for Semira dissipated quicker, but for it to dissipate in Selene herself, it was something very different.
      Yeah, the scene of Semira drinking Selene's blood happens after Selene is defeated by Marius. It's hard to tell the time passage in this movie, but if I had to guess, I say that it took several weeks for Semira to finally drink her blood safely.

      Possibly. But you're right about the poison. A good example would be like scopion venom (if you ever get stung by one). A  reason why most scorpion venoms can't kill a human being is because there's not enough venom to densely spread throughout our entire system, and therefore the venom eventually bleeds away into nothing. But on smaller creatures, this is considered sufficient. Therefore, it's possible the blood they extracted from Selene was a sample where there wasn't TOO much Nightshade poison (as it hadn't spread too densely there yet), whereas Selene herself had to receive the worse end of the stick.

      I hope you see where this is going.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:

      She might be depressed prior to that due to Eve. But we are to believe that all wonderful David (barf) considers her family and Selene fights for family. And he tells her that before they even get on the train to the Nordic Coven. Selene also helps those that help her, she wouldn't just let the Nordic Coven be destroyed.

      It might have given her some motivation to go down fighting for others, but maybe she wasn't too interested in fighting to live.  When Marius "killed" her, she said her time has come, that sounds like someone with the mind set of expecting and embracing death, not one motivated to win. 

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      FunnyBunnies wrote:

      She might be depressed prior to that due to Eve. But we are to believe that all wonderful David (barf) considers her family and Selene fights for family. And he tells her that before they even get on the train to the Nordic Coven. Selene also helps those that help her, she wouldn't just let the Nordic Coven be destroyed.

      It might have given her some motivation to go down fighting for others, but maybe she wasn't too interested in fighting to live.  When Marius "killed" her, she said her time has come, that sounds like someone with the mind set of expecting and embracing death, not one motivated to win. 

      Which could make sense, as hiding Eve away in such a manner meant Selene lost too much motivation, as the only way to keep her daughter safe is to make sure she can never see her again. Not exactly a wecolming prospect for a mother.

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      It might have given her some motivation to go down fighting for others, but maybe she wasn't too interested in fighting to live.  When Marius "killed" her, she said her time has come, that sounds like someone with the mind set of expecting and embracing death, not one motivated to win. 

      That's fine in theory. But it goes against Selene's character. If she loses to Marius he could completely wipe out the Nordic Coven as a whole (which he should have but he's a moron), including David. And that's just not Selene. Since we are to believe that David is now her family (vomit and barf some more) she would not lay down and die before she knows he is safe. Besides if Selene was really that suicidal, she could always have killed herself.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote:
      It might have given her some motivation to go down fighting for others, but maybe she wasn't too interested in fighting to live.  When Marius "killed" her, she said her time has come, that sounds like someone with the mind set of expecting and embracing death, not one motivated to win. 
      That's fine in theory. But it goes against Selene's character. If she loses to Marius he could completely wipe out the Nordic Coven as a whole (which he should have but he's a moron), including David. And that's just not Selene. Since we are to believe that David is now her family (vomit and barf some more) she would not lay down and die before she knows he is safe. Besides if Selene was really that suicidal, she could always have killed herself.

      I'm not convinced just yet that Selene sees David as family in that respect. We'll have to wait for the next film to know for certain.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      FunnyBunnies wrote: That's fine in theory. But it goes against Selene's character. If she loses to Marius he could completely wipe out the Nordic Coven as a whole (which he should have but he's a moron), including David. And that's just not Selene. Since we are to believe that David is now her family (vomit and barf some more) she would not lay down and die before she knows he is safe. Besides if Selene was really that suicidal, she could always have killed herself.
      I'm not convinced just yet that Selene sees David as family in that respect. We'll have to wait for the next film to know for certain.

      I am certain that David sees her as a mother figure or a mentor, as for Selene however I'm not sure, she has some respect towards David and might consider him as a friend, at best, but she mentions that everyone close to her gets screwd, so I don't think she would even want to consider him as family.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      I'm not convinced just yet that Selene sees David as family in that respect. We'll have to wait for the next film to know for certain.
      I am certain that David sees her as a mother figure or a mentor, as for Selene however I'm not sure, she has some respect towards David and might consider him as a friend, at best, but she mentions that everyone close to her gets screwd, so I don't think she would even want to consider him as family.

      Under normal circumstances I would agree. But they have spend two films forcing Selene's family out of the picture (Michael & Eve) to force David onto Selene so I think we are supposed to see it as a two way street.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:
      DarkRobin wrote:
      It might have given her some motivation to go down fighting for others, but maybe she wasn't too interested in fighting to live.  When Marius "killed" her, she said her time has come, that sounds like someone with the mind set of expecting and embracing death, not one motivated to win. 
      That's fine in theory. But it goes against Selene's character. If she loses to Marius he could completely wipe out the Nordic Coven as a whole (which he should have but he's a moron), including David. And that's just not Selene. Since we are to believe that David is now her family (vomit and barf some more) she would not lay down and die before she knows he is safe. Besides if Selene was really that suicidal, she could always have killed herself.

      I didn't say she was suicidal, just that she was fine with going down fighting a worthy cause.  And it is not really against her character because in the past, she had something to fight for, like Michael and Eve, but at that point, it's clear she felt she already lost them both.  Not to mention she had to endure backstabbling figuratively and literally two times by other vampires.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      FunnyBunnies wrote: That's fine in theory. But it goes against Selene's character. If she loses to Marius he could completely wipe out the Nordic Coven as a whole (which he should have but he's a moron), including David. And that's just not Selene. Since we are to believe that David is now her family (vomit and barf some more) she would not lay down and die before she knows he is safe. Besides if Selene was really that suicidal, she could always have killed herself.
      I'm not convinced just yet that Selene sees David as family in that respect. We'll have to wait for the next film to know for certain.
      I am certain that David sees her as a mother figure or a mentor, as for Selene however I'm not sure, she has some respect towards David and might consider him as a friend, at best, but she mentions that everyone close to her gets screwd, so I don't think she would even want to consider him as family.

      In my opinion to see how Selene would view David in a longer run may require us to know a bit more about Amelia. Sure, David may not have known about his family bloodline, but there's always a way for family characteristics to be passed down, even if you don't know it.

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    • In Evolution, Selene needed Alexander's blood to defeat Marcus which is totally understandable.

      But in Blood Wars, Selene's Corvinus strain wasn't enough to defeat Marius!?  When the fact that Marius "should be as strong" as Selene but with Michael's blood in Marius it made him a lot bigger and stronger than Selene.  So which makes me wonder that Michael is still fairly very strong compared to other Hybrids. 

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      In Evolution, Selene needed Alexander's blood to defeat Marcus which is totally understandable.

      But in Blood Wars, Selene's Corvinus strain wasn't enough to defeat Marius!?  When the fact that Marius "should be as strong" as Selene but with Michael's blood in Marius it made him a lot bigger and stronger than Selene.  So which makes me wonder that Michael is still fairly very strong compared to other Hybrids. 

      If you ignore the Nightshade poison factor, the only othe possibility is that the Corvinus strain blood does not offer its full benefits to someone who is NOT a direct decedent of its bloodline (though this required time to adapt). It's possible that by the time of Evolution, because the blood had only been in her system initially, it was still trying to figure out if Selene belonged to the bloodline or something, so during that process, it gave her the benefit of the doubt.

      However by the time of Blood Wars, it had concluded Selene did not belong to the bloodline, and therefore whatever benefits Selene got was much more limited.

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      In Evolution, Selene needed Alexander's blood to defeat Marcus which is totally understandable.

      But in Blood Wars, Selene's Corvinus strain wasn't enough to defeat Marius!?  When the fact that Marius "should be as strong" as Selene but with Michael's blood in Marius it made him a lot bigger and stronger than Selene.  So which makes me wonder that Michael is still fairly very strong compared to other Hybrids. 

      I strongly believe that Marius could had taken some of the Antigen's prototype serum in addition of Michael's blood, mainly because this would've given him enough strength to capture Michael in the first place and because his enhanced Lycan form looked something in between of Jacob's and Quint's transformations. So maybe Michael's blood keept the serum active in Marius' bloodstream, and possibly explain why he didn't share Michael's blood with other Lycans, since they didn't had never used the serum and Michael's blood would have little effect on them.

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      In Evolution, Selene needed Alexander's blood to defeat Marcus which is totally understandable.

      But in Blood Wars, Selene's Corvinus strain wasn't enough to defeat Marius!?  When the fact that Marius "should be as strong" as Selene but with Michael's blood in Marius it made him a lot bigger and stronger than Selene.  So which makes me wonder that Michael is still fairly very strong compared to other Hybrids. 

      Michael's strain is weaker than Eve's which is why the serum is made from Eve's blood/genetic material. Quint is without a doubt 10 times stonger than Marius (due to his size alone) yet Selene kept getting up every time he threw her down (except that very first one in the coven). And lets not forget that using Michael's blood only gave Marius temporary powers. Temporary powers generally are weaker (due to fluctuations) than permanent ones.

      And if Marius really had access to the Antigen serum he wouldn't have needed Michael at all. Because serum>>>>>>>>>>>>>Michael's blood due to the fact that the serum comes from Eve, the supposedly strongest version of the immortals.

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    • FunnyBunnies wrote:
      Brimmski wrote:
      In Evolution, Selene needed Alexander's blood to defeat Marcus which is totally understandable.

      But in Blood Wars, Selene's Corvinus strain wasn't enough to defeat Marius!?  When the fact that Marius "should be as strong" as Selene but with Michael's blood in Marius it made him a lot bigger and stronger than Selene.  So which makes me wonder that Michael is still fairly very strong compared to other Hybrids. 

      Michael's strain is weaker than Eve's which is why the serum is made from Eve's blood/genetic material. Quint is without a doubt 10 times stonger than Marius (due to his size alone) yet Selene kept getting up every time he threw her down (except that very first one in the coven). And lets not forget that using Michael's blood only gave Marius temporary powers. Temporary powers generally are weaker (due to fluctuations) than permanent ones.

      And if Marius really had access to the Antigen serum he wouldn't have needed Michael at all. Because serum>>>>>>>>>>>>>Michael's blood due to the fact that the serum comes from Eve, the supposedly strongest version of the immortals.


      You know, with regards to why Selene was able to get up and keep fighting, it's possible willpower and urgency may play a role in all this. At Antigen, Selene knew Michael was still being held somewhere in the complex, and she was desperate to be reunited with him. Thus she merely wanted the fight with Quint to be done as quickly as possible so she could see her love again.

      By the time of Blood Wars, Selene was on the run, having no clue where Michael was. Sure she was determined to find him, but the whole planet is a much bigger place to look, and therefore the determination wasn't as high because she knew it wasn't likely she'd see him again anytime soon.

      Now look at ending of the film: even with the new powers gained from the Nordic Coven, Selene still wasn't able to kill Marius. It was only after looking through his memories, and the realization that he bled Michael dry in order to boost his own power that the situation changed. Remember, right before the last confrontation, Selene bit into her own arm as a means to fuel her rage (and with it the determination to avenge Michael), and it was only then that she was able to kill Marius.

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    • Marius is definately stronger than Selene, because he could bit her while in human form. 

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    • 41.113.162.220 wrote:
      Marius is definately stronger than Selene, because he could bit her while in human form. 

      Yeah, I was rewatching the fight the other day and I noticed that during their fight at the Nordic Coven (while Marius was in human form) Selene never managed to hit him, he dodge all of her attacks, while Marius sucessfully hit her a few times in wich case she gets stuned or thrown around. If Selene also had hit him she would've send him flying around as well. On that matter I believe that Marius is simply a better fighter than Selene not necessarily stronger.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      41.113.162.220 wrote:
      Marius is definately stronger than Selene, because he could bit her while in human form. 
      Yeah, I was rewatching the fight the other day and I noticed that during their fight at the Nordic Coven (while Marius was in human form) Selene never managed to hit him, he dodge all of her attacks, while Marius sucessfully hit her a few times in wich case she gets stuned or thrown around. If Selene also had hit him she would've send him flying around as well. On that matter I believe that Marius is simply a better fighter than Selene not necessarily stronger.

      That will have to depend on what his origins are like. Early in the film, Thomas had said that there had never been a large scale lycan attack, but Semira pointed out that this is only because there had never been a Marius. Hopefully we get to see Marius again via flashbacks for the next film or something, so we can see why he became such a threat.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      That will have to depend on what his origins are like. Early in the film, Thomas had said that there had never been a large scale lycan attack, but Semira pointed out that this is only because there had never been a Marius. Hopefully we get to see Marius again via flashbacks for the next film or something, so we can see why he became such a threat.

      As I understand Marius became a threat after consuming Michael's blood and becoming that Lycan enhanced monster. He also seem to have a grudge against the Vampires and ask other Lycans to stop acting as slaves, wich lead me to believe that he was a slave back in Lucian's time. After Lucian died and Antigen was destroyed he likely kill his way to the top, as even other Lycans were afraid of him.

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    • TrinityOverlord wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      That will have to depend on what his origins are like. Early in the film, Thomas had said that there had never been a large scale lycan attack, but Semira pointed out that this is only because there had never been a Marius. Hopefully we get to see Marius again via flashbacks for the next film or something, so we can see why he became such a threat.

      As I understand Marius became a threat after consuming Michael's blood and becoming that Lycan enhanced monster. He also seem to have a grudge against the Vampires and ask other Lycans to stop acting as slaves, wich lead me to believe that he was a slave back in Lucian's time. After Lucian died and Antigen was destroyed he likely kill his way to the top, as even other Lycans were afraid of him.

      True, but then you'd be facing the Q why Marius was the one to get the power boost from Michael's blood. Because for all we know, ANY lycan who drank Michael's hybrid blood could have gained this power, so why was Marius chosen above the rest? From the flashbacks we saw, it seemed Marius was not able to capture Michael all by himself, he still needed help for that. Hence the reason why we need to know a bit more on his origins.

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    • If you pay enough attention to details involving hybrids, you'd notice that non-hybrids CAN overwhelm defeat hybrids by themselves (after a brutal beating, which is a given). So far however, only two have done it without foul play: Victor used his combat experience to even out his fight with Michael, and William was in one hell of a feral state, which allowed him to last some time against the same hybrid.

      In Selene's case, being frozen in a block of ice for a dozen years straight (don't ask me about childbirth) was enough to dampen her reflexes but she was weaker than Quint was in a full frontal assault. The reasons she managed to kill him was:

      1. A grenade lodged into his stomach (It nearly doesn't count)

      2. His transformation made him roughly elephant-sized, causing him to have trouble getting into enclosed spaces

      3. She had better flexibility than he did due to the size difference

      In Blood Wars, she was rendered useless because of a nightshade-rubbed knife, almost killed due to drained blood and thrown around by a transformed idiot who looked like a misshapen gorrilla compared to other transformed Lycans.

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    • I personally didn't think THAT much blood was drained out of her....

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    • I don't really believe Selene is weaker in Awakening or Blood Wars, if she is, as I mentioned before, the effect of demoralized could have something to do with it.  But if she really had gone weaker since we saw her in Evolution.  There might be another reason, that the effects increasing her strength from Alexander Corvinus's blood is wearing off to some extent.  Let's not forget Alexander Corvinus was the First and arguably the most powerful immortal at the time.  So in addition to granting Selene immunity to UV, his blood may have also served as an equivalent of 1000 humans or more, thus boosting her strength to the level we saw.  Much like Marcus appearing nearly unstoppable at the time and he had been feeding almost non-stop in the film.  So gradully, without feeding on lots of blood, Selene's strength may have weakened over time from being stronger than an Elder to being like an Elder.

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    • You don't know if Selene had stopped feeding on blood and everything. The 1st Underworld novelization book specifically said that the vampires (for the most part) stopped feeding on human blood, but not blood altogether. Selene may not see humans deserving of being killed and farmed for blood to sustain herself, but that doesn't hold true for animal blood. There's no evidence to show that Selene simply stopped feeding. Now yes, there's the fact she was in cryostasis for 12 years, but you can't prove that from the moment she escaped all the way to the end of Blood Wars she never once fed.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      You don't know if Selene had stopped feeding on blood and everything. The 1st Underworld novelization book specifically said that the vampires (for the most part) stopped feeding on human blood, but not blood altogether. Selene may not see humans deserving of being killed and farmed for blood to sustain herself, but that doesn't hold true for animal blood. There's no evidence to show that Selene simply stopped feeding. Now yes, there's the fact she was in cryostasis for 12 years, but you can't prove that from the moment she escaped all the way to the end of Blood Wars she never once fed.

      I wasn't saying she stopped feeding altogether, just likely not a lot.  And over time, the original potency of  Alexander's blood faded.  

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      You don't know if Selene had stopped feeding on blood and everything. The 1st Underworld novelization book specifically said that the vampires (for the most part) stopped feeding on human blood, but not blood altogether. Selene may not see humans deserving of being killed and farmed for blood to sustain herself, but that doesn't hold true for animal blood. There's no evidence to show that Selene simply stopped feeding. Now yes, there's the fact she was in cryostasis for 12 years, but you can't prove that from the moment she escaped all the way to the end of Blood Wars she never once fed.
      I wasn't saying she stopped feeding altogether, just likely not a lot.  And over time, the original potency of  Alexander's blood faded.  

      Possibly, though I'm willing to bet the writers simply overlooked this point.

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